Open carry and contact with police video

[Irving]

I'm pretty sure it was in the "The Largest Gang in America" video on youtube. It is basically an hour long video of the cops doing shitty things. I really makes your blood boil. I think the video got broken up into 6 ten minute sections, but here is the first one and I think where the scene I was talking about happened. I could only stomach a few minutes of the video though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH9k8L3oDa4

[clublights]

I might be completely incorrect .........BUT......

It was My Understanding that colorado law requires you to have ID with you at all times and you are required to show that ID at anytime an LEO asks for it

Again I could be COMPLETELY wrong... but that is my understanding .

[Irving]

I don't think that is necessarily true. Like if I go running, I don't carry my DL and too bad if anyone wants to see it because I left it at home.

[TFOGGER]

Also, I'm thinking that the police have the right to ask for ID though right? I mean, it doesn't matter if he was driving or not, because even though the officer asked for his driver's license, he wasn't asking to make sure he was legal to drive, but because it is the most common form of ID that people carry.

Depends on what state you are in, laws vary. In some states, you are required to provide identification on request, alternately, they can "escort" you to the police station to establish your identity.....

total bullshit in a supposedly free country, but reality in ours.

[wyzardd]

I read on one of those "know your rights" type places (so you know it's true) that you're required to "disclose your identity to police when officers have reasonable suspicion to believe criminal activity may be taking place"

Lot of wiggle room there, in my opinion. How far does "disclose identity" go? Is "my name is ___" sufficient?
What's "reasonable suspicion"? If the cop believes it's illegal to open carry, even when it's not, they could honestly say they had reasonable suspicion that a criminal activity was taking place.

However, I couldn't make it past about 40 seconds of the video. Obnoxious snot with a camera and a cop that didn't like the idea of a subject recording him. But like I said, I didn't watch the whole thing

[Irving]

You didn't miss much. I posted it before I had seen more than 40 seconds of it.

[ronaldrwl]

I found that very interesting.
The police immediately fall back into their routine, let me see your permit, let me see your license, let me see something dammit! The camera man has more courage than I, walking up to a policeman with a gun showing, yikes! Got to give some credit to the policeman, he composed himself and didn't escalate the situation. I got to think a lot of policeman would not let the gun carrier get off without taking him in.

[Elhuero]

Colorado has a stop and identify law, but North Carolina (where the vid was shot) does not.

He was completely in the right in his state, in CO he could have been arrested. A guy in NV fought a similar law all the way to the supreme court and lost.

in the video you see the officer get his phone, and can practically hear the cogs turning as he decides what to do. he eventually realizes the guy is in the right and leaves.

the police always want to be the only ones around with the guns, because (starship troopers!) that's where their authority ultimately resides. Their fear is not unfounded, as the uniform makes them a target. They have a risky job and really put themselves out there, and want to be as safe as they can.

But some really dumb shit has been done in the name of officer safety.

Hopefully both of them do better next time

[Irving]

What would he have been arrested for in Colorado? Refusal to identify himself?

[clublights]

What would he have been arrested for in Colorado? Refusal to identify himself?

Basically Yes...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_Identify_statutes

read near the bottom ( before all the citations) about how colorado's is " harsher" then other states and seems to confirm my belief that you have to produce ID on demand .