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One thing I learned from the guys who i knew who made it to become SEALS, was they not only were committed to winning and being the best int he world, they had the mentality of if it meant dying in order to win, then that was acceptable to them.
Everyone it seems wants to go SF when they join, just a few who actually go past the thinking and actually do it.
Originally Posted by hip55
what type of classes should i be looking at?
what would you recomend going to school for? whats going to be most beneficial for this line of work,
thanks guys!
One thing I noticed that you asked, and no one has commented on yet, is that you thought that you could just go out and train and become "elite" so the military would want you. I've got zero military experience, but I'm pretty sure that you don't train FOR the military, you train IN the military. It is not a job that has many prerequisites and no prior experience is required. I once told someone that I didn't think that I had anything to offer the military, and they corrected me by pointing out that you don't bring skills to the forces, you learn skills FROM the forces. Something to keep in mind.
It would be a complete waste for you to try and go to college and try to pick a major that you think would make the military like you more.
"There are no finger prints under water."
This is pretty accurate, but there are always a few exceptions. The one that stands out in my mind is if you're an MD or an RN, they'll fall all over themselves to get you in. And med folks (officer type) don't have to do the same training as other military folks. They have their own training regimen, if you can call it that. WAYYYY more laid back than normal.
Otherwise, no, you don't really train for the military. Depending on your ASVAB scores, you may be able to specify your MOS/AFSC but to move on from, say, Infantry to Rangers to Special Forces you have to volunteer for the schools and in some cases have recommendations by NCOs and CO's. It also varies by service. From what I've heard from friends in the Army, it's reasonably easy to volunteer for these schools and work up. Air Force doesn't work the same way. If you want to be a Combat Controller or ParaRescue (PJ), you have to get into it to start with. It's much harder to switch once you're in.
And the part about having the attitude and mentality is spot on. If you want to do any sort of SF/SOC stuff you absolutely have to dedicate yourself to it. You have to want it more than anything else. You have to want it when you're cold, wet, sore, hurt, hungry, so tired you can barely think straight, and getting screamed at by someone who's been through it, been there and back, and knows why you have to be able to put up with it. There are times that your general purpose support folks deal with cold, wet, hungry, tired, hurting, and still having to work to get the job done when you've already been busting your rear for the last 12 hours. So if you want to be an operator, you better be (as Sniper7 put it) tougher than woodpecker lips.
Incidentally, don't let which service you're looking at fool you. I was once told by an acquaintance who was a retired Navy SEAL (He swore he'd say I was lying if I ever repeated this, but here it is) that Air Force PJ's were the most highly trained special ops folks he knew. If I remember correctly, the PJ school is 2 years long. Air Force Combat Controllers live and deploy with the Army. They might as well be Army, except for the USAF and different stripes on their uniforms. They get right up there in the thick of it.
So make sure you know what you want and you want it badly enough to do whatever it takes. If you do, awesome. If not, you might wind up wishing you had done something else.
SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM
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i might have been unclear, i understand that the army etc trains you
but if you go in with no experience, run 20 minuet miles and can barley breath after a push up or pull up
your not gonna last through the training
now if i train as hard or harder mabey even less hard then the army etc and it comes time to join and i go straight into training, and can do it with ease (dont get me wrong im not saying i can do it easy or that its easy. its not i know.)
it seems to me that is a better option, prepare for tomorrows war today with training
theres only one thing tho, im unsure if military is my "shit" so to speak i want to serve my country, i want to be the best of the best, its not me im unsure of its the situation i geuss
No question, if you're in great shape you're going to get through the training WAYYYY easier than someone who isn't. If you're able to do the pushups, situps, pullups, running, and so on going in, you're going to be that much better off when you get done. But the point of the more special training is to push EVERYONE to the breaking point, so they can see if you have what it takes to persevere when you get to that point. They want to see if you have the heart to push through and accomplish the mission. The SEALs have a couple sayings that I've always remembered. 1 - the only easy day was yesterday. And my personal favorite - Second place is first loser. The other purpose for all the training is doing is getting you into shape to do the job, training you for the job, and developing the notion that it's all about teamwork. And it is.
It's good that you're thinking about it before you run in to a recruiter's office and sign up. I will say, though, that most everyone I know who is in or has been in the military thinks it's one of the best things they've ever done. Every close friend I have either is or was military. But that's a decision you have to make for yourself.
SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM
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how would one get into a security position without military??
im assuming if its armed you need to be 21
but do you need a concealed and carry licence?
what type of schooling would you need? if any?
would you go through classes before even applying? (by classes i mean and firearms training etc)
You can be an armed security guard in Boulder after fulling the extreme requirement of watching 12, one hour videos.
"There are no finger prints under water."
^^ thanks for the help
idk about that, seems wayy wayyy too hard, i should stick with the military
HAHAHAHAHAH
thats funny
thanks
If you'r looking for a physical training schedule, go to the recruiter and ask for the SOPC schedule. It's a 30 train up to prepare students for SF. It's not easy, but it covers all of the core requirements for any of the branches: running, pushups, pullups, situps, road marching, etc. I'll try to find it online for you, if not I have it in my TM's; I'll scan it & send it to you. Another option is the P90X workouts. Other than missing the running, it's the closest to morning PT that i've seen. Don't forget to give yourself enough time to prepeare. The reason most schools require 2-4 years of service as a prerequisite is to allow you 2-4 years to get into shape. Proper physical conditioning doesn't happen overnight, it takes years. Just stay motivated and build the "never quit" mentality now.
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