stay or bug out?

[Mtn.man]

I thought it was pretty neat on one of the channels about unusual homes.
Where the guy bought an old missle silo and turned it into a home. Now that's security.

[rforsythe]

I thought it was pretty neat on one of the channels about unusual homes.
Where the guy bought an old missle silo and turned it into a home. Now that's security.

True though don't you need to have power to run the air pumps and probably some sump pumps? You'd have some air for a while (especially with a small # of people - those places are huge), but at some point running a generator will become inconvenient or impossible. Also what if someone gets pissed off that you're in there and just rams a car into the blast door so you can't open it? Now it's your own personal 45,000sqft tomb.

It'd be great for some scenarios, but has vulnerabilities like anything else.

[Beprepared]

I thought it was pretty neat on one of the channels about unusual homes.
Where the guy bought an old missle silo and turned it into a home. Now that's security.

http://www.missilebases.com/properties

This old Titan 1 is for sale 20 minutes from Denver for a mere 2.8 million.

[jerrymrc]

http://www.missilebases.com/properties

This old Titan 1 is for sale 20 minutes from Denver for a mere 2.8 million.

And it has been for sale for years.

[ldmaster]

Definitely.

On the timing of stuff and the idea that things could go on for a while, I was reminded of a lesson from wildland firefighter training.

"the safest area to be in during a wildfire, is in the area that has already burned"

If there are scavengers, looters (government and non-government) once they think they've raped an area - there should be far less acquisitive activity in your area. Caching - that's the key - sorta like the idea of carrying two wallets, one to give up if you get robbed, have a mini-cache or store your goods in a unitized manner - pull out only enough to make it seem that if you DO get robbed or "collected" it will seem as if they've scored and they move on. No way I'd be in a bug-in situation with no visible means of day to day supply, the zombies you can shoot, the government quislings you can't - but they'll insist on their right to seize whatever they can find.

Once things get raided in the cities, the official and unofficial thieves will move into the country - so I don't believe remoteness will in any way affect your risk of a raid - in fact I think it will increase it, and living in an urban setting there's lot of "terrain" (i.e. buildings and stuff) to use as remote observation posts. If I were a bad guy looking for a property to rip off in the country, you can BET I'll scout it first - and since you're remote, as a bad guy, I'm going to snipe you before I raid you.

I like the urban setting, simply because of the opportunities to hide it presents to defenders - and population density in the city under long term conditions will mean there are more survivors that thought like I did, those survivors will form a mutual defense pact with me.

If a bear farts in the woods, nobody hears it - same for a goblin-raider trying to kill you.

urban, bug in, simple and you dont run the risk of losing your bug out location to those who knew of it's location, and got there before you did. Because for every well prepared cabin in the woods, there are several locals you have never seen - who've already found it exists.

When/if some form of government arises - it will be in urban areas, if there are any medical resources available, it will be in urban areas. We DO need one another in many ways that are impossible to plan/prep for if you're going into an isolated area.

[Eow]

If it's economic it will not turn anarchy overnight. It will take at least a few weeks if not months...Looking back at the great depression and what happens when other country's economies collapsed it is unlikely that I would bug out. More than likely my business would contract but still run and I could move to a gated community or get an alarm for the house and stay put. When the economy goes south crime goes up drastically but even in Russia and Argentina no one turned into zombies.

What is different about America today than during the depression, and different from those other countries is that hardly anyone has any 'real life' skills here any more. Very few people know how to hunt or gather their own food any more, know how to fix and fabricate things. I think things will start to unravel very quickly as people get hungry and desperate.

[theGinsue]

Even for those who might have the skills, the availability of the necessary tools for accomplishing things without power just isn't there. Without power (gasoline, diesel fuel, electricity, etc), everything will have to be done either by hand or animal power. this requires a whole different set of tools than we currently have available in mainstream society; the Amish have the tools. Unfortunatley, the Amish won't be available to teach the rest of us how to make those tools since they are pacifists and will likely be killed in short order to have their food and possessions stolen.

[SA Friday]

Even for those who might have the skills, the availability of the necessary tools for accomplishing things without power just isn't there. Without power (gasoline, diesel fuel, electricity, etc), everything will have to be done either by hand or animal power. this requires a whole different set of tools than we currently have available in mainstream society; the Amish have the tools. Unfortunatley, the Amish won't be available to teach the rest of us how to make those tools since they are pacifists and will likely be killed in short order to have their food and possessions stolen.

See. Just another reason kidnapping an amish family to envelope into my community after everything swirls the bowl... They won't like me killing all the raiders, but they will like living.

[RobertB]

Now THAT, sir, is some brilliant, out of the box thinking!

[theGinsue]

See. Just another reason kidnapping an amish family to envelope into my community after everything swirls the bowl... They won't like me killing all the raiders, but they will like living.

Now THAT, sir, is some brilliant, out of the box thinking!

The two of you are scaring me. Can I tell you that? Yeah, scaring me.