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    Default Lies, damned lies and statistics

    Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
    - Mark Twain's Own Autobiography: The Chapters from the North American Review

    Here is a thread to put the lies...
    I'll start.

    President Obama alludes that the Heritage Foundation supports the health care package:
    http://www.myheritage.org/media/?videoID=74693223001
    Mr. President, Heritage does not support Obamacare
    President Obama this morning cited The Heritage Foundation's research in an attempt to sell his health care package as a "middle of the road, centrist approach." We take great exception to this misuse of our work and abuse of our name. This is but the latest act in a campaign to sell this big-government program as a moderate law that incorporates conservative ideas. Americans should not be fooled.

    Let's be very clear: We oppose this new law because it is a radical new intrusion into the daily lives of all Americans and a massive takeover of one-sixth of the U.S. economy. We view the President's health care law as inimical to our national interests and offensive to the historic American dedication to the principle of self-government.

    Our research has shown that President Obama's health approach is financially unsustainable and will ultimately lead to health care rationing, a lower quality of care and a greater degree of dependence on government. We deplore those outcomes and are committed to making the intellectual case for this law's repeal.
    What part of that does President Obama not understand?

    Specifically, President Obama told NBC's Today Show host Matt Lauer that a centerpiece of his health care package, "in terms of the exchange, just being able to pool and improve the purchasing power of individuals in the insurance market—that originated from The Heritage Foundation."

    But the President knows full well—or he ought to learn before he speaks—that the exchanges we and most others support are very different from those in his package. True exchanges are simply a market mechanism to enable families to choose their health insurance. President Obama's exchanges, by contrast, are a vehicle to introduce sweeping regulation and federal standardization on health insurance.
    Moreover, we completely disagree that President Obama's law improves the purchasing power of individuals in the insurance market. On the contrary, it will create a staggeringly complex and costly insurance system that will drive up premiums for Americans.

    The President's health care law is only eight days old, and already it has cost our economy billions of dollars. Late last week, AT&T alone took a $1 billion charge because of the impact of the bill, and the consulting firm Towers Watson told the Wall Street Journal that the total hit this year will reach nearly $14 billion. It is sad, given the present state of our economy, that the President's party in Congress has reacted not by trying to find ways to spare the jobs that will be lost because of this law. Instead, they are trying to intimidate companies that take such charges with threats that they will be hauled in before the Energy and Commerce Committee.

    It is also revealing that President Obama is still struggling to sell the American people on a bill that he and his party rammed through passage by a narrow margin in the face of bipartisan opposition. It is a sign of desperation that he, his handlers and the media echo chamber are reverting to the campaign practice of selling the President and his policies as centrist, middle of the road and aisle-crossing. As the country has found out the hard way in the past 15 months, they are none of those things.

    The President has made a habit of using conservative talking points when trying to sell a liberal ideology because he knows that this is a center-right country that rejects his agenda when articulated honestly. His supporters have even tried to pin the blame of the potentially unconstitutional individual mandate on us. This approach brushes over the details of our research and ignores our ability to evolve past further developed research.

    Over 16,000 new IRS agents will be hired by the government to enforce the President's mandate on the American people. The President's health care plan also raises premiums, taxes, and costs while lowering quality, and expanding Medicaid. These are not conservative ideas.

    And let's be clear, these are not ideas Heritage has ever, or would ever, support.

    We made every effort over the past year to share our ideas for better health care reform with the President and members of both parties in Congress, but were not invited behind the closed doors. Now, after the bill is signed, it seems the President wishes we were along for the ride. We were not. We remain fervently opposed to the President's partisan plan, and urge its immediate repeal. This is not common politics, it's common sense.

    Had President Obama limited his bill to centrist elements, he would have won wide bipartisan support for effective reform both within Congress and among the American people. He would have won it, too, at a fraction of the cost of this intolerable, huge and intrusive legislation. He would not now be facing popular rejection by the American people. And he would not need to misrepresent Heritage policies and positions in an attempt to give his radical health plan the patina of respectability.

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    Oh Snap! Take that sucka.

    It is a sign of desperation that he, his handlers and the media echo chamber are reverting to the campaign practice of selling the President and his policies as centrist, middle of the road and aisle-crossing.


    OUCH haha
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    everybody must be tired...
    March 26th, 2010
    Obama Lies about 5 days to Review Healthcare Bill

    Obama Lied about giving the public 5 days to look at the health care bill before signing it, but then again, is it any surprise from the people that said you’ll save 3000% on your health Care Costs? To them I’m sure it made sense that Sunday Night to Tuesday Morning was 5 days.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5t8G...layer_embedded

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    hell - wake up people.
    One reponse?
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    I read it.
    "There are no finger prints under water."

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    Quote Originally Posted by funkfool View Post
    hell - wake up people.
    One reponse?
    What do you want from us ... most of us have been yelling all this at the top of our lungs for the better part of the last two years

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    Don't give up now...



    I don't know..
    I'm just ...
    I don't know...
    Just seems like so much effort on topics that are... what... frivolous?
    Guess I'm just... what?
    ...not satisfied.
    Entirely my issue.
    Entirely my problem.
    Entirely my dissatisfaction.
    Guess I just expect more.
    My apologies.

    But I can't get over it...

    What do I want from you?
    Nothing more than you are willing to give.

    I have said my entire life that: "Everything I am, I owe to this country".
    Well, the time is now.
    The time is at hand.
    I'm gonna stand in front of that pledge.
    I don't expect anything from anyone...

    But, somehow....
    I guess I just expected...

    But I am not disappointed...
    My spirits soar -
    This experiment in freedom WILL NOT vanish from this earth in my life time...

    I am gonna get my hands dirty... I'm going to get deeply involved into politics.

    God help me.

    I love you guys and gals - you seem like great people.
    I aplogize if I came off overly apoplectic.
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    Are you serious? If we start listing the lies this will make the "Boost your Post Count" thread look tiny.

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    That is EXACTLY what I hope for:
    What about this...
    Violence against women - we are all against it...
    however - the left- or the 'arts' community thinks it is 'art'...
    Don't believe me?

    MOAN: Pleasure and Pain (Community Event)
    Time: 12:00 PM to 6:00 PM
    Location: UCCS Gallery of Contemporary Art 1420, Campus Gallery Located in the Science Bldg. 1420 Austin Bluffs Pkwy Colorado Springs, CO 80918

    MOAN: Pleasure and Pain. Taking inspiration from a sound that straddles pleasure and pain, Moan features art work in a variety of media by UCCS Visual Art faculty and students as a part of the City Dionysia Festival. A maelstrom of violence, The Bacchae is a potent source for examining the heart of revelry, intoxication, and vengeance. Opening reception: March 4, 6 – 9 pm. Closing reception (with a live performance of excerpts from the Bacchae score): April 2, 6 – 9 pm. Gallery hours: Tuesday - Friday 12:00pm-6:00pm

    This sound like something that is promoted by the left...

    Art work?!?!?!
    Sexual violence!?!?!
    Where is NOW or any of the other womens groups?
    No where... why?
    HHHMMMM?
    ANYONE?
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    Maybe if I posted it in general discusion...
    But it belongs here...
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