Biometric work card

[bowhunter]

Like it will really keep people from hiring illegals. Maybe this has been posted but I searched and didnt see it here, seen it on fox news today. Sounds like the big agenda behind it is they would have almost every US citizens finger prints on file. They already have mine from military and CCW etc but I still dont like it! I really hope it dont pass, but under this administration they would have a good chance. They would probably charge us for getting a work card. I heard it is a REPUB and DEM pushing for it and they are meeting with osama as early as this week on it, anyone know more about it?

[theGinsue]

Sounds like the big agenda behind it is they would have almost every US citizens finger prints on file. They already have mine from military and CCW etc but I still dont like it!

There's always an agenda; isn't there?!

Same situation here for my prints (oh yeah, and my arrest), don't like any of hte reasons they have my prints.

[sniper7]

they already have my prints so it doesn't really matter now.

too bad they can't give incentives to businesses to turn in illegal immigrants...would save a ton of tax dollars.

basically it would be nice to have a business that starts to employ all illegal aliens, they get comfortable, then BAM!!! INS!!!! and off they go, all possessions then belong to the .gov to be resold with some portions going to the business for partial lost revenue, and get them temp works ASAP.

[BigBear]

basically it would be nice to have a business that starts to employ all illegal aliens, they get comfortable, then BAM!!! INS!!!! and off they go, all possessions then belong to the .gov to be resold with some portions going to the business for partial lost revenue, and get them temp works ASAP.

Wouldn't work. Remember a few months ago in Boston? INS got a bunhc of illegals working on a construction site, took them in, fingerprinted them, etc and then DROVE THEM BACK TO WORK AND BOUGHT THEM LUNCH ON THE WAY!!!!!!!! (Smakcing head against wall smiley needs to go here but I cna't find it.)

[Pancho Villa]

While I understand the security problems with no border security, I still dispute that most illegals are that big a deal.

My dad was illegal, he got amnesty the first time around (iirc.) Because of that I'm an American citizen, for which I am grateful.

If any of you ever had to deal with getting from x country into America I think you'd understand why so many otherwise honest mexis border hop. If you don't have a degree, money by the boatload or some absolutely vital skill, you have basically 0 chance of getting in. Thats ridiculous. I have a friend from Ecuador who is an opera singer, he has to pay thousands of dollars every year taking classes from a local uni to keep his student visa current - because he just can't get on the road to citizenship. He has never broken any law in his life, is an entertaining singer and standup guy. In Ecuador he'd be unemployed and quite poor; here he makes a decent living. The fact that he is more or less barred from becoming a US citizen within any reasonable amount of time is a farce of justice.

If you want to stop illegal immigration, stop making legal immigration a joke. The market will tell us how many immigrants with a particular job set is too many, because there won't be any more jobs and they'll go home. Govt quotas don't work with gas, cars or any other material item - they don't work with labor, either. If you are scared that some immigrant is going to lower your wages and/or steal your job, well...you can't cheat the market. If they don't lower your wages or steal your job by coming here, the same thing will happen when your job is shipped overseas - or just goes out of business entirely due to being uncompetitive in a global market. Govt protection of your wages / job isn't gonna help you there.

When that is done - and only then - will the border patrol actually have a reasonable chance at stopping terrorists or dangerous criminals from entering illegally. Right now the immigration controls create a huge market for coyotes - $5,000 a head or so to sneak you over. Thats big bucks. A lot of those guys don't care whether the guy they're smuggling over just wants to pick strawberries for 5 bucks an hour, or if he wants to commit acts of terrorism, or if he's a dangerous psychopath with a wrap sheet a mile long. When you get the strawberry pickers in a fast line that checks for criminal history, terrorist ties and a medical exam to make sure they aren't taking any dangerous, communicable diseases with them, you'll eliminate that market and make it both more expensive to get people over and easier for the border patrol to keep them out - since they won't have the camoflage of thousands of non-violent illegals to hide among.

It could be done quite easily. Slap a reasonable price tag on the exam to get in, in order to pay for the medical exam, background check and so forth. Could even be a small money-maker for the .gov, not that they'd spend it on anything worthwhile.

[BigBear]

Good points... I wonder what the actual process entails. I know that my great grandparents came over from Scotland... but I know nothing of their journey to actually obtain legal status.

[Pancho Villa]

Here's a good summary, bigbear, in flowchart form:

http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/4...ionprocess.jpg

From everything I have read its pretty much spot on.

[cowboykjohnson]

My roommate is dating a Malaysian woman and she did everything the legal way to become a citizen.... it's not really that hard... it just takes some effort like everything else in life.

The Biometric card I don't believe in, and it doesn't really matter since the Govt has 4 or 5 sets of my prints anyway... not that I even want them to, but there's not much I can do about it.

[theGinsue]

I know that this is a very UN-popular position, but I disagree. I say make ALL immigration into the U.S. more difficult - except for the spouse and any children of a U.S. citizen or the spouse ONLY (no exceptions for extended family.

People would rather come to the U.S. because they believe what we have is something better than what they've left (don't get me started on the badmouthing many do once they get here or the transformations of many communities into the same as what they left - I'll save that for another rant!).

I'm not one who believes that a flood of immigrants (legal or otherwise) makes this a better nation. I'm sorry, but I don't.

Instead of coming here, why don't those people put the same level of effort into improving the conditions of their nation of origin? It's said that the U.S. has an estimated 12 million illegal Mexican immigrants. 12 million people going back to Mexico could make a significant difference/improvement in the nation of Mexico if they put some effort into it.

If my house was getting dilapidated (needing new windows, a paint job, replacing the roof, etc.) and I decided that I didn't like those conditions and chose to sneak into and "squat" in the home of someone in a more affluent community, I wouldn't be making HIS home BETTER, nor would it improve the conditions of the home I left. I wouldn't have to worry about painting his home, etc. and I'd be willing to mow his lawn/shovel his drive once in a while to "do my part" by doing the jobs he "doesn't want to do".
Because he speaks with greater literacy and a better vocabulary than I do (different cultures and all), he'd need to learn how to adjust to communicate with me. I'd also need him to fund the education of my children to give them a fair chance in the private schools his children go to - it's only fair. If I got injured and got sick while living in his home, he'd have to pay my medical costs because I just can't afford it. He'd have to listen to me complain about how he's keeping me down and restricting me by keeping me in a small basement room - which he complains that my "Joe's Beer & Dart Pub" flags don't go with his high-class decor' - after all, I'm just displaying my pride in where I've come from. It's HIS problem if any of this is an issue for him - he's just intolerant and selfish.

Yeah, BAN immigration!

[theGinsue]

The Biometric card I don't believe in, and it doesn't really matter since the Govt has 4 or 5 sets of my prints anyway... not that I even want them to, but there's not much I can do about it.

If only it would be limited to the use for employment - and limited to requiring your fingerprints. I saw on the news this AM that one of the options being considered (among many) is embedding scans of the veins in your hands onto a chip on the card. How long until the chip IS IN YOUR HAND? How long until they decide the bio card can/should ALSO be used for.....? Isn't that EXACTLY what they did with the SSN? By law, your SSN is only supposed to be used to identify your Social Security account. It was not meant to be used as a common form of identification - but that's just what it is; isn't it?!

I don't trust this plan one bit!