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    hmmm... After looking at the immigration chart, it doesn't seem to cost a lot or be a huge production. It does take a lot of time and work. I do agree with the chart as well in the points of if you are unskilled, etc, we don't need you. However, "skilled" is very subjective as a farmer or a construction laborer is skilled work.
    I also agree with the points that it is typical for immigrants to combine with "their" own and refuse to assilmilate (learn the language, etc) to the American "culture" (very subjective as to what that culture is) thus pulling areas down into ghettos and regions reminiscent of their home country... of which they came here to be rid of.

    I don't want to sound like an "elitist" or racist. So I apologize if that is how I come across as. But I sincerely do believe we should close the borders and deal with our own internal problems for a while. We are almost expected to be the world's "Big Brother" yet a saying always comes to mind: How can you take care of others if you can't take care of yourself?

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    immigration is one of the problems in the US. make it harder to get in, for the ones that do get in they need to show proof they are doing something positive for the country or they get booted. I work with several immigrants who have gone through the process, and while tough...that is the price to pay.

    no more "if you are born here you are a US citizen" bullshit. Parents need to be US citizens or the same thing will apply for their children. too many border jumpers get a safe haven here because of that.

    huge crackdown on immigrants...you cause harm to the society, by way of illegal wrong doings (maybe a 3 strike system depending on severity of the crime), then you are gone.

    This country doesn't need to GROW any more...we have enough people here. The huge cities, massive populations, welfare, too few jobs, outsourcing to other countries because it is cheaper are all reasons to slow down immigration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theGinsue View Post
    I'm not one who believes that a flood of immigrants (legal or otherwise) makes this a better nation. I'm sorry, but I don't.
    Are you a native american indian? If not, then aren't you being more than a tad hypocritical here?

    Also, have you studied American history? Are you aware of the term "culutural melting pot"?

    Do you know how many people live in China, India, Brazil, Phillipines? And how many live here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sniper7 View Post
    This country doesn't need to GROW any more...we have enough people here. The huge cities, massive populations, welfare, too few jobs, outsourcing to other countries because it is cheaper are all reasons to slow down immigration.
    I COMPLETELY disagree. Have you ever driven around this state? When I first moved here, I was absolutely AMAZED that you can go for MILES down the highway and see absolutely nothing but empty land.

    The more people that are here, the more jobs there are. We are almost entirely a service economy -- and while that's bad, it makes this point all the more apparent.

    We need everyone we can get. We need to invest in education for natural born citizens and native Americans alike. This is an investment in the true sense of the word! We put money in, and down the road we get more money out.

    Too many people make assumptions that seem logical at first glance when it comes to issues like this.

    If you want to make rum runners illegal, make rum legal. Worked then, it works now.

    If you want to make border hoppers illegal, make immigration legal.

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    Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant" is like calling a drug dealer an "undocumented pharmacist".

    While many come here and work hard, because they are not in the system, they don't pay income taxes. Because so many have "fluid" identities, they feel no need to get health insurance, auto insurance, or driver's licenses. A large number also feel no need to show up for court, pay for license plates, pay their hospital bills, or take reasonable care of their rented housing(occupied by 4 times as many as it was designed for).

    These are the costs of illegal aliens, borne by the humble taxpayer. Just ask anyone that's been in an auto accident with someone with a Chihuahua license if they got any money.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sniper7 View Post
    huge crackdown on immigrants...you cause harm to the society, by way of illegal wrong doings (maybe a 3 strike system depending on severity of the crime), then you are gone.
    I think that's already the case for GC holders, and for some pretty 'minor' things too, such as fraud, theft, domestic violence, and drug possession. GC holders can even be deported for not informing the DHS that they have moved house within a reasonable time.

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    imigrants are like electricity, they take the path of least resistance.

    that's why they jump the border.

    the problem could be easily fixed, but the fix would entail actually punishing those that break the law.... something the government will never do.

    as for a biometric work card, I'm against it and I won't submit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jake View Post
    I think that's already the case for GC holders, and for some pretty 'minor' things too, such as fraud, theft, domestic violence, and drug possession. GC holders can even be deported for not informing the DHS that they have moved house within a reasonable time.

    sweet, I didn't know that. glad they are held accountable for their actions when they come here.

    With me it really all boils down to the illegal immigrants. They waste my time at wells fargo, they waste my time at wal-mart and they waste my time at the DMV, on top of the crime, not paying taxes, living several families to a house, making nice trucks look like absolute shit and just in general bringing communities down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier View Post
    I COMPLETELY disagree. Have you ever driven around this state? When I first moved here, I was absolutely AMAZED that you can go for MILES down the highway and see absolutely nothing but empty land.

    The more people that are here, the more jobs there are. We are almost entirely a service economy -- and while that's bad, it makes this point all the more apparent.

    We need everyone we can get. We need to invest in education for natural born citizens and native Americans alike. This is an investment in the true sense of the word! We put money in, and down the road we get more money out.

    Too many people make assumptions that seem logical at first glance when it comes to issues like this.

    If you want to make rum runners illegal, make rum legal. Worked then, it works now.

    If you want to make border hoppers illegal, make immigration legal.

    that is the beauty of this state, the openness, and serenity. More people does not mean more jobs. what about welfare, medicaid, businesses shutting down due to factories in other countries etc. etc. we already have enough people for the jobs, actually in excessive amounts.

    immigration is already legal, so I don't get your argument.
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    Most illegals are good hard working people but that is not the issue. We have the right to decide who comes to our country. Period.
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