Somoene shot at Tanner 20MAR10

[cysoto]

The one thing that bothered me, in the past, at the gun shows was the lack of muzzle control. Some times you see that some person is pointing the muzzle of a rifle right at you! Not a comfortable feeling at all!

You make a GREAT point Preacher! +1,000,000

[Irving]

The past few shows I've been to have been making 1/2 or hourly safety announcments. Basically telling the folks to point the muzzle in a safe direction. However...obvious that some don't listen or care until too late. Curious if these two were thug-a'bies or what? Anyone? Most often I see thug dressed dipsh#ts and illegal look-alikes with lack of muzzle control. ...Yes, I'm outspoken and not well liked!

I think you see what you want to see.

[Great-Kazoo]

I'll consider your comments and see about turning in all my guns to the first police officer I see this morning... as I'm a horrible gun owner in your eyes...


i did not say you were a horrible gun owner. I said that kind of knee jerk reply you posted is what gave the anti-gun crowd the law that requires BG checks @ gunshows, among other things.
You can do what you want regarding keeping the family away from the show. That is not an end all to any form of accident or violence. Thats why it's called an accident. But since you feel i was personally attacking you, sorry, it was not a "personel" attack.

[Bongo Boy]

I think many people forget the basic rules when at a gun show or shop.

I completely disagree on that one...they don't know the basic rules to begin with. It's actually not all that common, on a percentage basis, for folks to be able to actually recite the Four Rules of Gun Safety and to actually practice them.

I'm a huge advocate of taking every opportunity I can to make sure folks, who obviously have had no training, to know what those rules are. When a lecture isn't called for, I at least find some way to get the 'finger off the trigger until you're on target' and 'don't point the gun at anything...' ideas across. I'd strongly encourage everyone to take every possible opportunity to do likewise.

I was in Specialty Sports a month ago handling a Sig at the counter. Of course I'd removed the mag and shown clear. I was presenting the weapon, aiming at the wall behind the counter when in my peripheral vision caught an oncoming store worker walking toward me, behind the counter. I immediately lowered the gun so as not to sweep him, and my sudden motion came as a surprise to him--that I'd even done it. He said 'Thanks', like it didn't happen all that often. It doesn't.

There should be the equivalent of a cattle prod administered to the person who can't show clear, can't keep his/her finger off the trigger, and can't keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. I've heard electric shock is about the fastest teaching aid there is.

[gnihcraes]

...is what gave the anti-gun crowd the law that requires BG checks @ gunshows, among other things.

my knee jerk reaction is not what gives the anti gun crowd their cause for their fight, it's the stupid kid that shot the other one... that is the real issue.

I went to the show, didn't take anyone with me, they all had other things to do... otherwise I would have taken them if they wanted to go.

next time...

[funkfool]

I've heard electric shock is about the fastest teaching aid there is.

+1

[SA Friday]

I completely disagree on that one...they don't know the basic rules to begin with. It's actually not all that common, on a percentage basis, for folks to be able to actually recite the Four Rules of Gun Safety and to actually practice them.

I'm a huge advocate of taking every opportunity I can to make sure folks, who obviously have had no training, to know what those rules are. When a lecture isn't called for, I at least find some way to get the 'finger off the trigger until you're on target' and 'don't point the gun at anything...' ideas across. I'd strongly encourage everyone to take every possible opportunity to do likewise.

I was in Specialty Sports a month ago handling a Sig at the counter. Of course I'd removed the mag and shown clear. I was presenting the weapon, aiming at the wall behind the counter when in my peripheral vision caught an oncoming store worker walking toward me, behind the counter. I immediately lowered the gun so as not to sweep him, and my sudden motion came as a surprise to him--that I'd even done it. He said 'Thanks', like it didn't happen all that often. It doesn't.

There should be the equivalent of a cattle prod administered to the person who can't show clear, can't keep his/her finger off the trigger, and can't keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. I've heard electric shock is about the fastest teaching aid there is.

OK, now this thread is getting somewhere. This is the root of almost all gun accidents. I have to disagree that most don't know the 4 basic rules. I would propose that they DO know the rules, but have elected to disregard one or more of them based on what they KNOW to be the truth of the situation. That's the crux of the problem; disregarding one or more of the safety rules because they just know the gun isn't loaded, or they just know the safety is on... Disregarding one rule, you will probably get away with nothing happening or a damn good innocuous reminder to pay attention to all 4 rules. Disregard two at the same time and someone or something get's shot.

Ultimately, everyone is going to AD or ND a firearm if they shoot enough. It's the dual nature of the 4 rules that negates serious damage. Engraining the 4 rules into your every day gun happens by simply accepting all 4 must be followed and forcing everyone around you with firearms to do the same. Your buddy giving you an ass chewing when you start getting loose with the 4 safety rules... and the shooter being receptive enough to listen to the ass chewing is the way these shootings stop. You have to put away your pride when handling firearms.

Almost every accidental shooting results from violating two rules; gun being pointed at someone, finger on the trigger or being pulled. You can even throw not treating the gun like it's loaded at all times in there, but that's not always the case. The first two are always involved.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Most often I see thug dressed dipsh#ts and illegal look-alikes with lack of muzzle control.

Do you see these folks through your hood standing next to the burning cross? Dumb people are dumb, I fail to see their skin colors nor dress code as their identity.

[Delfuego]

Do you see these folks through your hood standing next to the burning cross? Dumb people are dumb, I fail to see their skin colors nor dress code as their identity.

+ 1 for MB888

[sniper7]

I agree with MB888, when I substitute teach, you would be surprised at the kids who dress in dark gothic, or thug like (most of the time). they just want to be different...maybe have a mohawk, but I have found a lot more of them to be interested in guns and shooting then the kids dressed up in abercrombie or something along those lines.


As far as the shooting goes, has anyone heard what happened to the kid, is he okay? I think that is the first issue here...hopefully he will recover.
the rest of the points have pretty well been covered. biggest thing now is that the kid is okay and working to teach others the safety rules so this NEVER happens again.