More positive press for the war...

[Irving]

Video of troops killing civilians.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540...82090#36182090

[Mtn.man]

War is Hell.

[Irving]

Towards the end of the video, some guy comes on claiming that this kind of thing happens constantly, and cites ONE other incident.

[theGinsue]

Not good at all.

I understand that mistakes happen, however, they seemed a little to anxious to identify individuals as insurgents and fire upon them.

Interesting comment about "a tank drives over a body". would that be the new 4WD Humvee tank?

[BushMasterBoy]

http://wikileaks.org/

this is a little quicker...journalists killed by troops mistakenly

[Hoosier]

I couldn't finish it. I was waiting to see how long before this got posted, I'm surprised someone sources MSNBC for it. I like them as much as I like FNC, which is to say, not at all.

The original source is Wikileaks, the people who were claiming that US intelligence and Icelandic intelligence were shadowing them on their recent trip to Iceland. Ironically, they were going to Iceland to discuss it's idea of creating a safe legal environment for a site like Wikileaks to operate...

Original source is here http://wikileaks.org/

I see a strap over the guys shoulder, but at no point can you positively say it's a AK. I didn't see any RPG's either. What I don't know is if these guys have other views on target. My guess is we are hearing the gunners, and they are seeing this same view through the optics on the nose pod. Either the people who got lit up were unconcerned about an Apache orbiting close enough for the gunner to have visual ID, or the optics are zoomed in.

I think the real question is, are the rules of engagement proper for the war we're in today? Specifically, is missing a chance to kill an Iraqi insurgent worth more than killing bystanders. How many new insurgents do we make each time we kill somebodies father/brother/uncle?

This is all dated 2007 though, so who knows what changes to the RoE there have been since then.

I think the real point is not that the incident happened, it's

[Elhuero]

Oh gosh, innocents were hurt?!! say it aint so


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lKZqqSI9-s

[Hoosier]

I'm actually watching the MSNBC piece and I see they cover a lot of what I just talked about. Shockingly, doesn't appear terribly balanced.

I think a lot of what they're saying about the attitude of the soldiers disregards ... well ok guy #2 sort of talks about it. It doesn't take having too many of your buddies blown up or getting shot at yourself to become pretty jaded and that change your attitude towards all of them.

Ironically, I work with one of those talking heads at the end.

H.

[sniper7]

welcome to a war zone.
mistakes happen, the media being overzealous to condemn our own troops bothers me more.
their lack of knowledge knowing the difference between a tank and a HUMVEE is more disturbing.
they expect troops to know exactly who the good guys and bad guys are in their job and are quick to call them murderers and child killers but they can't spend 10 seconds to google the difference between a tank and a HUMVEE? fuck them.

[theGinsue]

welcome to a war zone.
mistakes happen, the media being overzealous to condemn our own troops bothers me more.
their lack of knowledge knowing the difference between a tank and a HUMVEE is more disturbing.
they expect troops to know exactly who the good guys and bad guys are in their job and are quick to call them murderers and child killers but they can't spend 10 seconds to google the difference between a tank and a HUMVEE? fuck them.

agreed. I think one of the major issues here is that staff members of Reuters ("the press") were killed. If those members of the press want to take the risk of entering an unsecured war zone and refuse to wear anything that will aid in rapid identification, then our troops can't be held accountable for their lives.

ETA:

I'm calling BS on this.

And next time camera men want to go walking around in a war zone they need to identify themselves as non combatants or they run the risk of being fired on.

I’m at work and I’ve been working on making this post for the last hour+; I get it posted and see all of the responses that have been posted in the last hour. It seems like we share a very similar viewpoint.

ETA2: Hoosier: Thank you for sharing that with us!