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    Default Arizona to allow CCW withOUT a permit.

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/electi...bill16-ON.html

    Arizona to allow concealed
    weapons without permit

    by Alia Beard Rau - Apr. 16, 2010 03:46 PM
    The Arizona Republic

    Starting later this summer, U.S. citizens 21
    and older can begin carrying a concealed
    firearm without a permit in Arizona.

    Arizona immigration bill faces Senate
    vote Monday

    Gov. Jan Brewer signed Senate Bill 1108 into
    law Friday afternoon. It eliminates the
    requirement for a concealed-carry weapons
    permit, but does require gun owners to
    accurately answer if an officer asks them if
    they are carrying weapon concealed. It also
    allows officers to temporarily confiscate a
    weapon while they are talking to an
    individual, including during a traffic stop.

    "I believe strongly in the individual rights
    and responsibilities of a free society, and as
    governor I have pledged a solemn and
    important oath to protect and defend the
    Constitution," Brewer said in a news release.
    "I believe this legislation not only protects
    the Second Amendment rights of Arizona
    citizens, but restores those rights as well."

    The law goes into effect 90 days after the
    Legislature adjourns for this session, which
    could happen in the next couple of weeks.

    Arizona joins Vermont and Alaska in not
    requiring such permits.

    "If you want to carry concealed, and you
    have no criminal history, you are a good
    guy, you can do it," bill sponsor Sen. Russell
    Pearce, R-Mesa, has said of his bill. "It's a
    freedom that poses no threat to the public."

    National Rifle Association lobbyist Matt
    Dogali said the new state law would not
    violate any current federal requirements.

    "There is no federal requirement for a permit
    or lack thereof," Dogali said.

    The federal government oversees the
    background-check program required to
    purchase a weapon, which will still be
    required in Arizona in most cases.

    Brewer last week did sign a separate law that
    exempts guns made and kept in Arizona
    from federal regulation, including
    background checks.

    Arizona had 154,279 active permits as of
    April 4. Permit holders are spread across all
    ages, races and counties, but White males
    older than 30 in Maricopa and Pima counties
    hold the majority, according to the Arizona
    Department of Public Safety data.

    The permits generated $1.8 million in
    revenue last fiscal year, according to DPS.
    The money is used to help cover costs for
    enforcing laws related to the Highway Patrol,
    operating the concealed-carry weapon-licensing program and impounding vehicles.

    Arizona's permit process will remain in place, and many gun owners may still choose to get a permit. Permits would still be needed in order to carry a weapon into a restaurant or bar that serves alcohol. They would also be needed if an Arizonan wants to carry his or her gun concealed in most other states.

    For those who do choose to get a permit, the education requirements do change under the new law. Classes are no longer required to be a set number of hours or include any hands-on use of the weapon. Those who don't get a permit would not be required to get any training or education.

    Retired Mesa police officer Dan Furbee runs a business teaching permit and other gun safety classes. He said if most people choose not to get a permit, it will put several hundred Arizona firearms instructors out of business.

    "It's going to hurt," he said.

    But he said what really concerns him is that the new law will allow people who have had no education about Arizona's laws and no training on the shooting range to carry a concealed gun. The eight-hour class currently required to get a permit includes information on state law and gun safety, as well as requires students to be able to hit a target 14 out of 20 times. Furbee said his class at Mesa-based Ultimate Accessories costs $79, plus $60 for the five-year permit.

    "I fully agree that we have a right to keep and bear arms," Furbee said. "But if you are not responsible enough to take a class and learn the laws, you are worse than part of the problem."

    He said it's not uncommon for students to walk into his classroom and pull a new gun out of a box with no idea how to hold it and no understanding of the laws surrounding it.

    "If you are going to carry a concealed weapon, you should have some kind of training and show that you are at least competent to know how the gun works and be able to hit a target," he said. "You owe the people around you a measure of responsibility."

    This new law is the latest of several that have passed over the past year since Brewer took over the office from former Gov. Janet Napolitano, a Democrat.

    Napolitano vetoed at least a dozen weapons bills that crossed her desk during her seven years in office, all of which would have loosened gun restrictions. In 2005, Napolitano rejected a bill that would have allowed patrons to carry loaded guns into bars and restaurants. In 2008, she also vetoed a bill that would have allowed people to have a hidden gun in vehicles without a concealed-carry permit.

    In January 2009, Napolitano resigned to become U.S. Homeland Security secretary and Republican Secretary of State Brewer became governor.

    During her first year in office, Brewer signed a bill allowing loaded guns in bars and restaurants, as well as another that prohibits property owners from banning guns from parking areas, so long as the weapons are kept locked in vehicles.

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    they need it down there.

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    They need it everywhere.

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    "Arizona had 154,279 active permits as of April 4. Permit holders are spread across all ages, races and counties, but White males older than 30 in Maricopa and Pima counties hold the majority"

    How is that relevant to the discussion?

    "For those who do choose to get a permit, the education requirements do change under the new law. Classes are no longer required to be a set number of hours or include any hands-on use of the weapon."

    Great, here comes the masses that don't know what they are doing! I strongly suggest even the most seasoned to take a class here and there... and if you're a newbie, hopefully they'd be smart enough to ask questions...hence:

    "I fully agree that we have a right to keep and bear arms," Furbee said. "But if you are not responsible enough to take a class and learn the laws, you are worse than part of the problem....If you are going to carry a concealed weapon, you should have some kind of training and show that you are at least competent to know how the gun works and be able to hit a target," he said. "You owe the people around you a measure of responsibility."

    Amen.

    My thoughts: Arizona definitely needs this legislation and they need to include the Castle Doctrine as well. Illegal and even domestic gang/drug/etc problems are WAY out of control all through Texas, NM, SoCal, and AZ and I think looser gun laws and "good shoot" laws will hopefully steer the potential "bad guy" to think twice about his/her actions.





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    Very good news for equality. Someone understands what "shall not be infringed" means. I hope legislation like this spreads like wildfire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBear View Post

    "I fully agree that we have a right to keep and bear arms," Furbee said. "But if you are not responsible enough to take a class and learn the laws, you are worse than part of the problem....If you are going to carry a concealed weapon, you should have some kind of training and show that you are at least competent to know how the gun works and be able to hit a target," he said. "You owe the people around you a measure of responsibility."

    Amen.

    My thoughts: Arizona definitely needs this legislation and they need to include the Castle Doctrine as well. Illegal and even domestic gang/drug/etc problems are WAY out of control all through Texas, NM, SoCal, and AZ and I think looser gun laws and "good shoot" laws will hopefully steer the potential "bad guy" to think twice about his/her actions.
    Just be careful you don't get in the mindset of trying to legislate people into being responsible.

    While taking a class and getting training is the responsible thing to do,

    that doesn't mean we should pass laws FORCING people to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamhunter View Post
    Just be careful you don't get in the mindset of trying to legislate people into being responsible.

    While taking a class and getting training is the responsible thing to do,
    that doesn't mean we should pass laws FORCING people to do that.

    Rgr that, 100% agree. I was trying to say I hope people are smart enough (on their own) to seek guidance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBear View Post
    Rgr that, 100% agree. I was trying to say I hope people are smart enough (on their own) to seek guidance.

    And I wholeheartedly agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBear View Post
    Rgr that, 100% agree. I was trying to say I hope people are smart enough (on their own) to seek guidance.
    +1000

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