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    Quote Originally Posted by TFOGGER View Post
    Social inertia is a powerful force. While most here are more socially aware than average(as well as having a better historical perspective), the average citizen is no going to do anything to upset the status quo unless (s)he is made to feel uncomfortable in a profound way. As long as the .gov continues to buffer the consequences of bad decision making (bad mortgages, failure to buy insurance, choosing to enter this country illegally, selling/abusing addictive drugs, etc.), the average Joe will grumble about "those jerks in DC", then continue to pay their taxes and watch Survivor. The TEA party is making all the right noises, but in the end is only a distraction. There is no real difference between the Dems and Repubs, both are interested in seizing more control over the monster that the .gov has become(at every level from the cities upwards). Apathy and inertia can only be overcome by some polarizing action, not being nibbled to death by ducks as we have allowed ourselves to be over the last 120 years or so. I'm not sure where I'm going with this post, but my level of frustration with those that can't see the precipice down the road because they are staring at their feet is growing daily. What kind of event is it going to take for people to realize that they are the frogs in the slowly heating pot of water?
    more and more people realize every day.

    You may not notice because of your location, surroundings, etc.

    But I have a lot of family and friends back in the big cities I left behind,

    and every day I here more and more how fed up they are, and watch as they take a more active approach in politics, etc.

    More states are passing laws nullifying federal regulations,

    more people are pushing gun rights.

    More people are attending tea parties.

    It's not a full fledged movement yet,

    but the wheels have begun to turn.

    Instead of sitting around grumbling how everyone is so naive and blind,

    I would encourage you instead, to try and open as many eyes as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBear View Post
    HAHAHAHAHA. Hopefully not for long.
    what u talking bout Willis?

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    uh oh, maybe I misunderstood your post... you mentioned we still have "uncle ted" around. I assumed you meant Ted Kennedy as "Uncle Ted" due to his liberal approaches and "nanny state" mentality... but now I just realized my comment is faux pas as he died last year didn't he... Sorry.

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    There is only ONE Uncle Ted.. Kennedy was not an American.....

    http://biggeekdaddy.com/miscvideos/TedNugent.html

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    Oh HAHAHAHAHA... yes, big misunderstanding. My apologies... I've heard the reference to "Uncle Ted" being more directed towards Kennedy.

    I apologize!

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    You are forgive grasshopper, with more wisdom to come your way you will see the path to take.

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    iamhunter... I almost agree with you here. I guess in my encounters and societal impressions I'm not seeing what you must be. What's worse is that I do work for the .gov and the prevalence of socialist attitudes isn't the issue, it's the bureaucratic inertia and entrenchment. But sadly these folks here constitute the majority of my non-like minded social interactions!

    Quote Originally Posted by iamhunter View Post
    1. This country is definitely war weary.
    --- This country as a society never went to war. We sent our military off to foreign lands and went back to living a secluded and ignorant life, at peace with the knowledge that someone else would take care of the bad guys for us.
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    2. There is a fundamental shift happening in the mindsets of many people, including the 20-30 range.
    --- Sadly, that fundamental shift is one moving more towards an idealized form of socialism, peppered with a distinct lack of personal responsibility and true understanding that the world is a very very shitty place. See comment response #1
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    3. Instead of seeing party centrism, we're seeing something even better. Centrism of the PEOPLE. The public is growing tired of big government taking to much power and lording over their lives.
    --- The people, society in general, has always been centrist. But the absolute majority are disengaged because as noted, their world is not impacted. The public as a whole is no more fed up with government today than they've been in more than 40 years. Sorry I just don't see a few small rallies as a sign that more folks are engaged.

    Quote Originally Posted by iamhunter View Post
    I'm not saying we're on the verge of a movement quite yet, but the seeds are definitely there, if not the sprouts.
    ---- I sure as hell hope so, I do my part, I encourage everyone to. In the end, we are not, right, wrong or otherwise, at the point societally where there are enough colliding issues to cause actual change. But hey, we've got spiffy slogans, a fresh batch of talking heads and a media and government that really does know what it's doing right?

    HA!

    Thanks for the reasoned and rational debate here guys!

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    The average person wants to go to work, make money, then go home. They want problems to be fixed by people whose job is specifically to fix problems. We are a specialized, compartmentalized society, and that includes blame and problem solving.

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