Rebellion in America

[BigBear]

To sum up Badshot (I think): We've developed an "it can't happen to me" attitude, and until something amazingly tragic happens to individuals, nothing will change.

Is that correct? If it is, I completely agree. During the Katrina deal when the LA PD were taking peoples firearms, I had friends saying, "Good, then maybe they won't be looting and blah, blah". I asked them what if they were in LA and the PD was confiscating his guns for protecting his own property. He said, "They wouldn't do that to a regular joe. Those guys on TV must be criminals. They can take my guns out of my cold, dead hands." I just sighed... uh huh. Unless something happens to most individuals, no action will be taken.

[BadShot]

BigBear, Yeah pretty much.

[iamhunter]

I think you're talking about a different sort of situation bad shot.

We're not talking about succession or revolution, we're talking about civil rebellion.

It doesn't take THAT big of an event to start a civil movement, which is what we're talking about.

Nullifcation isn't addressing the "fall of the american empire" or succession or anything else, all it is is the states and the people telling the fed that "hey, we've had enough. You're overstepping your bounds, and it's not gonna happen in this state anymore."

Look at the civil rights movement.

It started out of virtually nothing, aside from the unjust and unfair treament of minorities.

And now instead of that, we have the unjust and unfair treatment of nearly ALL americans.

Doesn't seem like that far of a stretch to me.

And more and more people become aware and active every day.

[BadShot]

I think you're talking about a different sort of situation bad shot.

We're not talking about succession or revolution, we're talking about civil rebellion.

It doesn't take THAT big of an event to start a civil movement, which is what we're talking about.

Nullifcation isn't addressing the "fall of the american empire" or succession or anything else, all it is is the states and the people telling the fed that "hey, we've had enough. You're overstepping your bounds, and it's not gonna happen in this state anymore."

Look at the civil rights movement.

It started out of virtually nothing, aside from the unjust and unfair treament of minorities.

And now instead of that, we have the unjust and unfair treatment of nearly ALL americans.

Doesn't seem like that far of a stretch to me.

And more and more people become aware and active every day.

OK I can see where I could be partially divergent from the OP material. But I disagree that the Civil Rights movement was successful simply because of that issue. There were several societal pressures that made the ground fertile for the movement to succeed. A war weary country, a fundamental shift in the opinions and mindsets of the 20-30 age range, Democratic party centrism and popularity all laid the ground open.

I believe that a few minor legal shots across the bow mean little if nothing in the grand scheme of how we function as a society and republic. There are so many things that could be done to truly tell the Federal Government to wake up and straighten up that the States just chose to no do at all. Well with the few exceptions we already know of. So a bit of fluff and "Hey we'll make our own damn guns, na-na-nah" or "Bugger off we'll figure out health care for our own folks" from a distinct minority of states means about nothing at all in the over all picture.

That's really the point I'm trying to make I guess.

[ronaldrwl]

So a bit of fluff and "Hey we'll make our own damn guns, na-na-nah" or "Bugger off we'll figure out health care for our own folks" from a distinct minority of states means about nothing at all in the over all picture.

That sounds good to me. I'll take that as a starting point.

[jerrymrc]

I could type a bunch of BS but I am trying to see how I am better now than I was in 1998/1988/1978/1968/1958. Now the 58 I can't claim to know first hand except I think I would have liked "huggies" instead of the cloth diapers.

The bozos that get elected seem to have this idea that more laws are needed. To the point that the USA as a whole is saturated with BS. Pick a point,say 1978 and start over. We may need to change that since Disco was in full swing but ya get the idea.

[ronaldrwl]

How about we pick 1776 and try again.

[Mtn.man]

I could type a bunch of BS but I am trying to see how I am better now than I was in 1998/1988/1978/1968/1958. Now the 58 I can't claim to know first hand except I think I would have liked "huggies" instead of the cloth diapers.

The bozos that get elected seem to have this idea that more laws are needed. To the point that the USA as a whole is saturated with BS. Pick a point,say 1978 and start over. We may need to change that since Disco was in full swing but ya get the idea.

Yeah disco was the begining of the downfall. JC was the original Obama, gays came outa the closet, hippies finally decided to become "establishment" (Bill and Hill),,, so maybe a little later or go WAY back to leave it to Beaver and Andy Griffith.

[Troublco]

"The longest journey starts with the first step", as some dead Chinese philosopher once said. Everything, and everyone, starts somewhere. Ben Franklin was at one time a fervent loyalist and believer in the British Empire. He wound up as one of our founding fathers.

[iamhunter]

There were several societal pressures that made the ground fertile for the movement to succeed. A war weary country, a fundamental shift in the opinions and mindsets of the 20-30 age range, Democratic party centrism and popularity all laid the ground open.

1. This country is definitely war weary.

2. There is a fundamental shift happening in the mindsets of many people, including the 20-30 range.

3. Instead of seeing party centrism, we're seeing something even better. Centrism of the PEOPLE. The public is growing tired of big government taking to much power and lording over their lives.


I'm not saying we're on the verge of a movement quite yet, but the seeds are definitely there, if not the sprouts.