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    Here's a very interesting read on State nullification. In this case, it pertains to states rebelling against Healthcare, Gun Control, and National ID laws.

    Feel free to pass it on to your friends, more people in America need to read and be aware of this kind of thing

    REBELLION IN AMERICA
    WorldNetDaily Exclusive

    Citizens launch drive to put feds
    back in their constitutional place

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    Posted: April 20, 2010
    9:07 pm Eastern

    By Drew Zahn

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    WorldNetDaily

    A group of Americans who believe the federal government overstepped its constitutional bounds in passing the recent health-care legislation is rallying allies to a bold and controversial initiative: state nullification of the federal law.

    “Now that health-care reform has been signed into law, the question people ask most is, ‘What do we do about it?’” said Michael Boldin, founder of the Tenth Amendment Center, in a statement. “The status quo response includes lobbying Congress, marching on D.C., ‘voting the bums out,’ suing in federal court and more. But the last 100 years have proven that none of these really work, and government continues to grow year in and year out.”

    Instead, the Center is reaching back into the history books to suggest states take up “nullification,” a controversial measure that would essentially involve states saying to the federal government, “Not in our borders, you don’t. That law has no effect here.”

    The Center is partnering with WeRefuse.com to announce release of model nullification legislation for states, called the Federal Health Care Nullification Act, and a call for 100,000 Americans to join a state-by-state petition to prompt legislators into action.

    Now you can join nearly 15,000 Americans and 100 members of Congress in declaring your independence from Obamacare by signing Rep. Michele Bachmann’s Declaration of Health Care Independence.

    “Nullification will allow Americans to stop the overreaching federal government now, not years from now,” said Trevor Lyman of WeRefuse.com in a statement. “We can make our biggest waves in local politics. Our state governments understand the impact of a vocal and irate minority, and they simply need to hear from us.

    “WeRefuse.com and The Tenth Amendment Center’s Federal Health Care Nullification Act give our state legislators their marching orders,” he continued.

    The question of whether nullification is a legal and permissible step, however, has been battled over since the ink was still wet on the U.S. Constitution.

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    The controversy stems largely from Article VI of the U.S. Constitution, which reads in part: “This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land.”

    Many scholars today point to the Article VI “Supremacy Clause” as evidence that federal laws (such as the health-care legislation) override state laws (such as any proposed nullification act).

    But not so fast, say nullification advocates, pointing to a different interpretation offered by some of America’s Founding Fathers, based on the phrase in Article VI that suggests only federal laws made “in pursuance” of the Constitution are supreme.

    Alexander Hamilton

    In 1788, Alexander Hamilton wrote to the people of the state of New York in Federalist No. 33, arguing that the yet unratified Constitution limited the Supremacy Clause to only constitutional acts, and that federal laws that strayed outside those bounds deserved to be treated by “the smaller societies,” meaning states, as “usurpation.”

    “It will not follow from this doctrine that acts of the large society which are not pursuant to its constitutional powers, but which are invasions of the residuary authorities of the smaller societies, will become the supreme law of the land,” he wrote (all italics in the original). “These will be merely acts of usurpation, and will deserve to be treated as such. … It will not, I presume, have escaped observation, that it expressly confines this supremacy to laws made pursuant to the Constitution.”

    Ten years later, when faced with the unpopular Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison penned the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions, respectively, which asserted that the Acts had infringed on powers reserved “solely and exclusively to the respective states” and were therefore “altogether void and of no force.”

    In 1822, the General Court of Massachusetts blasted a federal embargo as “usurpation” and “oppression.”

    “We tremble for the liberties of our country! We think it the duty of the present generation, to stand between the next and despotism,” the Court ruled. “The Committee are of opinion that the late act laying an embargo is unconstitutional, and void in divers of its provisions; not upon the narrow ground that the Constitution has expressly prohibited such acts, but upon the more broad and liberal ground that the People never gave a power to Congress to enact them.”

    The Court’s solution was nullification, writing, “Whenever the national compact is violated, and the citizens of this State are oppressed by cruel and unauthorized laws, this Legislature is bound to interpose its power, and wrest from the oppressor its victim.”

    All the talk of nullification, however, came to a head in 1832, when South Carolina passed the Ordinance of Nullification, declaring a pair of federal tariffs unconstitutional and void within the sovereign boundaries of South Carolina. The Ordinance, in turn, prompted Congress to pass a bill permitting the president to use military force if necessary against the state, a showdown that nearly began the Civil War decades early.

    President Andrew Jackson then became one of history’s loudest voices against nullification, arguing that it was “incompatible with the existence of the Union, contradicted expressly by the letter of the Constitution, unauthorized by its spirit, inconsistent with every principle on which it was founded, and destructive of the great object for which it was formed.”

    Congress changed its tariff laws in 1832, and South Carolina, in turn, backed off its nullification, thus averting the crisis.

    Nullification returns

    Over the past five years, dozens of states have taken up laws or resolutions to reassert state’s rights against an ever-expanding federal government. And while none of these has been so bold as to use the word “nullification,” several measures, in effect, look much the same.

    Maine, for example, led the nation in 2005 by passing a resolution in opposition to the Bush-era law establishing a REAL ID system. But in 2007, Maine also passed LD 1138, the Act To Prohibit Maine from Participating in a National Identification Card, an act that essentially nullifies the federal law.

    According to the Tenth Amendment Center, 24 other states have since passed similar resolutions and laws resisting the REAL ID Act of 2005. Should the Act – enforcement of which has been delayed incessantly and resisted at the federal level – be put into full effect, America may have to resolve the controversy that has been brewing since at least 1788.

    As WND has reported, six states now have taken a similar stand on gun laws. Earlier this month, Arizona declared that guns made and kept inside its borders essentially are free from federal application, registration and ownership regulations.

    Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer issued a statement that her state’s new law is intended to give Washington the message that they should not try to “get between Arizonans and their constitutional rights.”

    WND also reported earlier when Wyoming joined the states with self-declared exemptions from federal gun regulation, officials there taking the unusual step of actually including penalties for any agent of the U.S. who “enforces or attempts to enforce” federal gun rules on a “personal firearm.”

    The costs could be up to two years in prison and $2,000 in fines for an offender.

    But the bellwether likely is to be a lawsuit pending over the Montana law, which was the first to go into effect.

    As WND reported, the action was filed by the Second Amendment Foundation and the Montana Shooting Sports Association in U.S. District Court in Missoula, Mont., to validate the principles and terms of the Montana Firearms Freedom Act, which took effect Oct. 3, 2009.

    Gary Marbut of the Montana Shooting Sports Association argues that the federal government was created by the states to serve the states and the people, and it is time for the states to begin drawing boundaries for the federal government and its agencies.

    In demanding the dismissal of the case, the government claimed the authority to regulate even “intrastate” commerce if it chooses.

    In an analysis by the Tenth Amendment Center, the gun laws were described as a nullification.

    “Laws of the federal government are to be supreme in all matters pursuant to the delegated powers of U.S. Constitution. When D.C. enacts laws outside those powers, state laws trump. And, as Thomas Jefferson would say, when the federal government assumes powers not delegated to it, those acts are ‘unauthoritative, void, and of no force’ from the outset,” said the analysis.

    Now, however, the Center is calling Americans to start calling a spade a spade and insist on nullification of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

    “It’s time to remind the federal government that We the People are in charge and not the other way around,” said Boldin. “Following the Constitution every issue, every time, without exceptions or excuses requires us to resist federal overreach and keeping our health care decisions where the Founders assured us that they’d be and where they belong – close to home.”
    Source: http://florida.tenthamendmentcenter....null-and-void/

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    Anyone seen the Tin Foil stash we had around here at one time?

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    not quite sure how this pertains to any sort of conspiracy/tin foil hat theories.

    Care to explain?

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    All I care to say is invest in gold and lead... lead being bullets.

    I think nullification is a good idea... but I doubt it will ever come to fruition with the amount of federal monies that states are now reliant upon.

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    I think it stands a pretty strong chance, there are atleast a few states that aren't to reliant on federal funding.

    Montana, Wyoming, and Utah are all pretty much independent.

    Arizona has, in the last month, nullified healthcare, passed no-permit CCW, passed a law freeing any guns made in-state from any sort of federal paperwork or registration.

    I mean we'll see what goes down, but it's nice to see America atleast taking a LITTLE bit of a stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBear View Post
    All I care to say is invest in gold and lead... lead being bullets.

    I think nullification is a good idea... but I doubt it will ever come to fruition with the amount of federal monies that states are now reliant upon.
    you basically said how it will come to fruition.. when "federal monies" are no longer available or become worthless..

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    unless you guys are playing too many video games or living in a cave,, there is alot of action going on in the States, and the people.
    They are tired of theway our country is headed, and don't mind saying so on alot of sites. Yes some are a little too radical, but alot have sound ideas on making a Real Change in the way things are.
    However with the current situation and people at their wits end you never know what will happen.
    The FED has gotten so big and has taken over so much of our freedoms I can see why states would like to nullify the fed.

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    I'm all for shoehorning the federal government back into the constitution. To many generations have let it slip away for the benefits and freebees they have seduced us all with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 68Charger View Post
    you basically said how it will come to fruition.. when "federal monies" are no longer available or become worthless..

    Touche!

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    I think there is a growing vocal faction of the population that would like to have things both ways. A return to constitutional constraint of the federal government while still having the federal teat, all the while giving more presumed authority to the states.

    I for one am sick and tired of the nanny-ism that is so prevalent in American society that I don't care which class of government it is, get the hell out of my life!

    Where I think the tin foil comes to play is in a few area's of the common argument made from our facet of the community and society.

    1. Succession - Yeah not happening anyone recall the last time a state(s) attempted to succeed? Saber rattling and small legal warning shots across the bow of the federal government do not indicate that there is a true movement towards state succession. Yeah sure, Montana and even Texas have eluded to such possible steps, but we all know that is so far from actuality that any other presumption is simply that, presumption.

    2. Political polarization - While the majority of the membership here would easily fall into the cast of a modern conservative, the actual state of Joe or Jane Citizen is centrist. In my less than humble opinion, one of the greatest faults of our society is the 2 party system, quickly followed in suite by the farce we call the media. I would challenge you to find an actual population that neatly fits into either camp of the so-called American Political Party system.


    So, break out your tin foil, duck and cover, build your bunker, buy your gold and lead, but I hate to tell ya, the modern Rome, the American Empire, Pax Americana or what ever feels good for you to call it; has not begun to truly fall.

    We really aren't the students of history we some times wish we were. The societal pressures required, seriously I mean required, to enact great societal change do not currently exist within America. Doubt my assessment? Look back through American history, look at the major events that triggered massive societal change. Now tell me how in the world a correlation exist in our current societal climate?

    Now, where the hell is the tin foil?

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