Just cant win

[theGinsue]

What good does it do to cater to illegals? They don't even vote? Am I just stupid?

Some of them vote...Compliments of ACORN.

Stupid? No. Naive', yes.

Why should some minor archaic law requiring an individual to be a citizen prohibit someone from voting - especially if the person they are voting for will bring about changes in their favor? So silly!

The only people who shouldn't be allowed to vote are those nasty, vile, hateful gun owners and those who keep quoting that out of touch document the Constitution.

[theGinsue]

we have to, among other things, change the constitution so that children born in this country are not automatically citizens, proof of citizenship to get a job, and tough penalties for faking such proof.

Oh and deportation of repeat offenders.

Deportation to Africa.

Agreed. I believe that if you are born in the U.S. with parents who are NOT U.S. citizens, you get a birth certificate and then you and your family HAVE to go back to your home nation. Once you turn 18 you have 6 months to go to a U.S. Embassy with your birth certificate and submit your one time claim for citizenship. A background check will be done (one like the military has to go through for security clearances, not a simple one). If you hae a clean record, you will be informed of the date to report for transportation across the border where you can be in-processed on THIS SIDE of the border to receive citizenship documentation. You will not be allowed to being any other family members with you. You can always apply through the regular immigration programs to bring over a wife, child, whatever, but it won't be your entire family. If you are found to be violating the immigration laws for anyone else, you will lose your citizenship status permanently and all of you will be deported.

[theGinsue]

Of course if the fuds would protect our borders this sort of thing would be uneccessary. But until we can convince them(ha like that will happen) or vote them out what else you gonna do? If the federal govt will not do it then it must fall to the state to protect its citizens.

Other than costs, is there anything that prevents a state from securing their border(s) with another country on their own?

[theGinsue]

didn't Bush have Little Brown ones???

I had some little brown ones earlier. They flushed nicely. Thank you.

[sniper7]

There are plenty of rumors about immigration amnesty in works before 2012! 10 millions extra votes?!

I wouldn't be surprised. might be right after this cap and trade issue and the value added tax gets a push. who knows how far he is going to push us now.

10 million? I bet it would be more along the lines of 30-40 million

[sniper7]

The only people who shouldn't be allowed to vote are those nasty, vile, hateful gun owners and those who keep quoting that out of touch document the Constitution.

nail on the head. probably what a liberal thinks to a T.
other than the fact we are all right wing terrorists...

[theGinsue]

nail on the head. probably what a liberal thinks to a T.
other than the fact we are all right wing terrorists...

Remember a year ago hearing the Obama administration stating that we (the U.S.) would no longer be using the word "terrorist" because of all of the negative connotations (they were truly worried about offending a terrorist?)? Not a week after that announcement DHS came out with that whole "potential domestic terrorist" thing. According to this administration, it's okay to label a citizen a terrorist, just not anyone else.

[sniper7]

Remember a year ago hearing the Obama administration stating that we (the U.S.) would no longer be using the word "terrorist" because of all of the negative connotations (they were truly worried about offending a terrorist?)? Not a week after that announcement DHS came out with that whole "potential domestic terrorist" thing. According to this administration, it's okay to label a citizen a terrorist, just not anyone else.

no no, they can't call citizens terrorists, only people who don't agree with them, whom they don't consider citizens and think of as an enemy and not a fellow countryman. we are right wing terrorist god loving, gun hugging big truck driving baby killers in their minds.

[Bitter Clinger]

Other than costs, is there anything that prevents a state from securing their border(s) with another country on their own?

I'm pretty sure there was a sherrif down in texas doing just that. Ol' Bam-Bam issed him an order to stop enforcing the LAW!

[theGinsue]

I'm pretty sure there was a sherrif down in texas doing just that. Ol' Bam-Bam issed him an order to stop enforcing the LAW!

I didn't think "Ol' Bam-Bam" had that level of authority over a locally elected official, not that such a thing would ever stop him.