Just cant win

[Hoosier]

ACLU. Enemy of the people.

How do you figure? The people don't like Liberty? I'll grant the ACLU is pretty selective about the liberties they defend, but the NRA/RMGO and &c cover the 2nd amendment issues pretty well.

[Hoosier]

Looks like this law is already being abused. Gloria's friend in Arizona is already suffering trouble from this. Her dad (who is from Mexico but is a citizen) was taking her kids to school this morning. Police pulled him over and told him he didn't stop at a stop sign long enough (bullshit reason to pull ANYONE over IMO). Anyway, he speaks broken English so they hauled him and her kids into jail. Now they won't release any of them until she brings in all their birth certificates and his legal documentation.

I told her to call the ACLU and sue. She should. None of those things are reasonable suspicion of not being here legally. If not speaking English is all it takes, then every high school student in Arizona is going to have a trip to jail.

I'm pretty disappointed.

+1 for this entirely unforseen turn of events!

H.

[Irving]

I really feel like if the problem in Arizona is any where near as bad as they say it is, then there will be plenty of opportunity to route out illegals in a way that doesn't harass the legal citizens of the state. The police need to be kept in check and figure out how to do their jobs without being jack booted thugs.

[Jumpstart]

How do you figure? The people don't like Liberty? I'll grant the ACLU is pretty selective about the liberties they defend,

Well you answered your own question "ACLU is pretty selective". For Christ's sake the ACLU was founded by a communist. So I guess thats how "I figure".

[Jumpstart]

I really feel like if the problem in Arizona is any where near as bad as they say it is, then there will be plenty of opportunity to route out illegals in a way that doesn't harass the legal citizens of the state. The police need to be kept in check and figure out how to do their jobs without being jack booted thugs.

This IS an opportunity to route out illegal aliens. The law specifically addresses not racially profiling (which, by the way is both effecient and effective). The police need be able to do their jobs. White, black, yellow, red Americans all have burdens to bear because of illegal immigration, now so do brown ones. Finally.

[Irving]

If the police don't get their act together and remember to treat people with respect, they are going to quickly find out that people's patience will boil over and they'll have even bigger problems on their hands.

I fully expect to hear more stories like this, and also stories about illegals freaking out and shooting at the police, running and going on high speed chases, etc. The police already have a big enough job on their hands and they don't need go around stepping on the throats of every brown person to take care of their illegal problem. I don't know about you guys, but if I were an officer in the same situation, I'd be on the lookout for panicking illegals trying to blast me so they can enjoy one more day of freedom, and wouldn't go looking for trouble.

[Jumpstart]

If the police don't get their act together and remember to treat people with respect, they are going to quickly find out that people's patience will boil over and they'll have even bigger problems on their hands.

I fully expect to hear more stories like this, and also stories about illegals freaking out and shooting at the police, running and going on high speed chases, etc. The police already have a big enough job on their hands and they don't need go around stepping on the throats of every brown person to take care of their illegal problem. I don't know about you guys, but if I were an officer in the same situation, I'd be on the lookout for panicking illegals trying to blast me so they can enjoy one more day of freedom, and wouldn't go looking for trouble.

Okay so you have used "jack booted thugs" and "Stepping on the throats of brown people". Enough with that already. Brown people also work in law enforcement in Arizona, a lot of Latinos. The BP is probably 50 % brown. There are brown Arizonans who are also sick and tired of illegal aliens and fully support Enforcing the law. (Which is all they are doing.) You won't here a lot about the type of suppositions that you presented so far here. You will see crime rates climb and floods of illegal aliens in other states along with a declining quality of life, while Arizona's quality of life will rise.


"I'm not a racist, I'm a realist." Kinky Friedman

[Irving]

I fully expect floods of illegals in other states and the quality of life to rise in Arizona. I'm in agreement with that. However, I'm not at all in agreement with how this particular incident went down. I realize that there are two sides to every story (surprised no one has said that already) but I just hope that this is an exception, and won't be the norm.

There was zero reason to suspect anyone of not being legal in this case.

[ChunkyMonkey]

How exactly would it work? The police detain someone who they suspect might be an illegal immigrant until a friend or relative brings in their birth certificate or passport? Seems like a colossal waste of manpower and money that could be spent on trying to keep illegal immigrants out in the first place.

And consider this: driving home from the range, the police detain you until they can run a background check to determine if you're legally allowed to own firearms.

I know one illegal immigrant (I know, for a liberal that's a piss-poor number); my cousin who lives in Florida. She is white and speaks with a horrendous American accent, so her chances of being stopped on suspicion of being an illegal immigrant are slim to none.

Jake, if you read the bill, it doesn't transform the LEO into a border/immigration enforcement. When one is arrested, detained, or temporary stopped under at least a reasonable suspicion, it requires the LEO to check on his identification. It does nothing BUT 'requiring' LEOs to enforce the CURRENT LAW. I dont see anything wrong with that then I am all for it.

LEOs check on IDs when one is stopped anyway! However, as of now, it doesn't require him/her to detain that person if one couldn't prove his/her residency.

I am a legal immigrant who is sick and tired of getting screwed by the illegals who like shortcuts. Just like anything illegal, it couldve been obtain legally - I know! The fact that noone is enforcing the immigration law devalue your citizenship and my residency in this country. I don't like the detainable part of the law and have mixed feeling on it, however, this might force the Fed to secure the border.

On the contrary, the next thing this thing might lead to is NATIONAL ID system

[ChunkyMonkey]

Okay so you have used "jack booted thugs" and "Stepping on the throats of brown people". Enough with that already. Brown people also work in law enforcement in Arizona, a lot of Latinos. The BP is probably 50 % brown. There are brown Arizonans who are also sick and tired of illegal aliens and fully support Enforcing the law. (Which is all they are doing.) You won't here a lot about the type of suppositions that you presented so far here. You will see crime rates climb and floods of illegal aliens in other states along with a declining quality of life, while Arizona's quality of life will rise.


"I'm not a racist, I'm a realist." Kinky Friedman

Before that gets to work, we will see attempt to 'better identify' illegals - National ID System.. We already see reports on false detentions!