Chicago asks for National Guard to lower murder rate. LOL

[Irving]

I feel like you didn't even read my post, as I'm pretty sure that I addressed what you said.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I feel like you didn't even read my post, as I'm pretty sure that I addressed what you said.

lol.. yeah was responding to the first few one

[sniper7]

LA and New York have both had more murders and they aren't making ridiculous requests.

Before this thread gets started, I don't think this is really a gun issue at all.

how is it not somewhat related?
Brady campain uses these numbers against gun owners.

high crime rates seem to run much higher in areas that have more strict gun laws.

give the citizens back their right to own guns and protect themselves.
an armed society is a polite society...and that isn't just some random saying.

why not go to the other extreme and allow unrestricted concealed carry.

ETA:
after reading further down i see your points, and I agree that there are places where the citizens (if thats what you want to call the thugs) pretty much run the shittiest parts of town.
If you want to clean those places up, stave their benefits. send the police in and clean the places up, ship the fuckers down to AZ where they can replace the cheap labor with free labor to repay for their crimes.
Enforce stricter sentencing on gang related crimes, up the ante further and start increasing the amount of death penalty handouts. (obvisouly if there is any doubt they could be innocent this isn't the answer, but if you have someone that admits to slaying kids or multiple people, all the evidence is there, then there shouldn't be an issue with this).

[Irving]

I'm going to copy your story to use as an example of how arming citizens can help a community take back some control. Hope you don't mind.

[sniper7]

I'm going to copy your story to use as an example of how arming citizens can help a community take back some control. Hope you don't mind.

hopefully it works, gotta be better than all the murders going on now.

[CrufflerSteve]

Mayor Daley and other Mayors: Seek “redress against the gun industry” in the World Court

http://volokh.com/2010/04/28/mayor-d...e-world-court/

Let's send Hizzoner to Libya so can learn about human rights. I'm sure Chicago would love UN Peacekeepers.

Steve

[68Charger]

He may have it WRONG, but he's closer to the real solution than they've done in the past...

what they want is more guns in the hands of trained, armed citizens (that happen to be wearing National Guard uniforms)

take away the uniforms, reduce the training requirements, and GIVE CITIZENS BACK THEIR GUNS! and this problem will get worse in a short period, and then improve over time...

I realize that inner city problems go deeper than this, but violent crimes and robberies would certainly drop in the long run- and sales tax revenue will go up as citizens legally arm themselves...

[sniper7]

kind of a thread resurrection, but here is from the recent NRA email I got:

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Fe...d.aspx?id=5789

Friday, April 30, 2010 Fearful that America’s Supreme Court will soon strike down Chicago’s handgun ban, frustrated by the Illinois legislature’s rejection of his anti-gun agenda, and repudiated by American courts and legislatures over his plan to sue federally licensed manufacturers and dealers of firearms for third-party crimes, Chicago Mayor Richard Daley (D) is showing contempt for his own country’s and state’s institutions, by seeking a foreign entity to enforce his anti-gun agenda against the American people.

This week, Daley called for “redress against the gun industry” in the World Court, in The Hague, Netherlands. Forgetting or not caring who his constituents are, Daley blurted “This is coming from international mayors. They’re saying, ‘We’re tired of your guns, America.’”

Daley’s global gun control fantasy received the endorsement of Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter (D), whose enthusiasm for international law is apparently matched by his novel interpretation of the United States Constitution. “I love the Second Amendment,” Nutter recently said, but “I have a First Amendment right not to be shot.” Nutter’s utterly ignorant statement proves that in our country, you can be elected to public office while knowing remarkably little about the Bill of Rights. Nutter acknowledged that the Daley’s scheme is a “long shot.” But, he said, “you never know until you try,” adding “The political establishment in many state capitals—and certainly in Washington [is] so deathly afraid of the NRA that people cannot make the right decision for their own constituents.”

And that’s not the only outrageous proposal put for forth by Chicago politicians of late. Illinois State Representatives John Fritchey (D) and LaShawn Ford (D) have decided that the best way to battle crime in “gun-free” Chicago is to militarize the city. The two legislators recently called on Illinois Governor Pat Quinn (D), Mayor Daley, and Chicago Police Superintendent Jody Weis to bring in the National Guard in an effort to thwart crime.

So in a city that is quickly starting to sound more like a banana republic, law-abiding citizens are denied the means to defend themselves, while the best suggestion anti-gun lawmakers can come up with to address crime is to emasculate the Chicago police department, and bring in soldiers to occupy the city and patrol the streets!

It’s a sad day in America when lawmakers would rather turn to National Guard patrols of city streets than to allow law-abiding citizens the choice to legally own and carry firearms for self-defense.

[Irving]

From the outside, the solution to their problem just seems so simple. I'm baffled at these politicians acting like this.

[SA Friday]

It goes even deeper than that really. When you strip back the initial layers, you end up at the same starting points. The mass majority of gang and criminal elements come from impoverished communities and homes. The typical gamg member is raised in a community devoid of ethical male role models and single mothers who are not around, because they are trying to make ends meet. This results in a cascade effect of lack of education, understanding of moral ethics due to self survival, and defense through the power of numbers. This demoralizes the value for life and teaches empathy is for the weak. This results in violence on a scale the rest of the society cannot relate to. For the most part, you don't see gang wars and drive-bys in middle class neighborhoods.

This is a much more complex issue than just calling in the national guard. That will clean up the streets for a week and then it will be back to what it was. Arming the citizens will resolve individual rights issues of self defense, but ultimately will not address the societal conditions that led to the warfare in the first place.