Hickenlooper to Gunowners: "I will take your guns"

[saddleup]

As a 2nd Amendment advocate and card carrying member of the NRA and owner of guns, we better wake up and start taking action.

Our 2nd Amendment freedoms are at stake if John Hickenlooper is elected Governor.

I started researching his positions and found a website, (it was posted on here last year, but was forgotten) where Hickenlooper is part of an elite club. So elite, he is the only Mayor in Colorado to be a part of it.

This elite club is called the "Mayors Against Illegal Guns."

http://mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/.../members.shtml

As Mayor he supports taking away gun rights in Denver. Think what he will do as Governor?

Here are a few examples of what these Mayors, including Hickenlooper, support:

http://mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/...ral_action.pdf

Improving Gun Background Checks:
1. Notify federal, state, and local law enforcement when someone fails a background check
(FBI, ATF);
2. Prioritize rejected purchases for investigation and prosecution (DOJ, FBI, ATF);
3. Require secure identification for gun purchases (DHS, OMB);
4. Electronically verify state-issued identification (FBI);
5. Process background checks for employees of federally licensed dealers at the licensees’
request (ATF, FBI);
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
RECOMMENDATIONS FROM MAYORS AGAINST ILLEGAL GUNS 1
6. Perform background checks on employees of federally licensed dealers during audit
inspections (ATF, FBI);
7. Notify dealers stripped of their licenses that they will continue to be “engaged in the
business” if they dispose of inventory in significant quantities for profit (DOJ, ATF);
8. Enforce the requirement that dealers notify ATF whenever they transfer more than one
handgun to their personal collections (ATF);
9. Maintain NICS records of default proceed sales to persons on the terrorist watch list for
20 years and all other records of default proceed sales for six months (ATF, FBI).

II. Policing Problematic Gun Shows:
10. Identify which guns were sold at gun shows when tracing crime guns (ATF);
11. Conduct criminal enforcement operations at shows suspected to be major sources of
illegally trafficked guns (ATF);
12. Increase enforcement activities to deter sales to prohibited purchasers by unlicensed
sellers (ATF);
13. Investigate private sellers at gun shows who appear to be unlawfully engaged in the
business (ATF);
14. Conduct comprehensive residency checks on buyers at gun shows known to be major
sources of illegal guns (ATF).
III. Supplementing AT F Resources and Improving Its Structure:
15. Increase resources to deter cross-border trafficking to Mexico (DOJ, ATF, DHS, OMB,
State Department, Congress);
16. Establish an Interstate Firearms Trafficking Unit run by a Deputy Chief for Interstate
Firearms Trafficking (ATF, DOJ, OMB);
17. Increase the number of ATF Inspectors who audit federal firearms licensees (DOJ, ATF,
OMB);
18. Enforce license revocations when dealers’ administrative appeals are exhausted (ATF);
19. Expand undercover investigations to assess dealer compliance with straw purchasing
laws (ATF);
20. Mandate investigation of all incidents involving the theft of 5 or more handguns (ATF);
21. Require federal firearms licensees to report firearm thefts from common carriers and
bonded warehouses (ATF);
22. Publish annual reports on lost and stolen guns (DOJ, ATF);
23. Support 250 additional state and local law enforcement officers to be assigned to ATF
Task Forces (DOJ, ATF, OMB).
2 A BLUEPRINT FOR FEDERAL ACTION ON ILLEGAL GUNS
More Eff ective IV. Crime Gun Tracing:
24. Create a new Office of Tactical Trace Analysis at the National Tracing Center (ATF, DOJ,
OMB);
25. Determine which dealers have a high number of traces compared to their sales volume (ATF);
26. Send a demand letter, conduct an inspection, or require a sworn statement when a federally
licensed dealer fails to answer a trace request (ATF);
27. Require dealers to maintain copies of trace requests and their responses (ATF, OMB);
28. Require guns to have a second, hidden serial number (ATF, OMB);
29. Require guns to have tamper-resistant serial numbers (ATF, OMB);
30. Require guns to have standardized serial numbers (ATF, OMB).
V. More Eff ective Partnerships Among Government, Law Enforcement, Community Groups,
and Responsib le Gun Industry Representatives:
31. Allocate more Project Safe Neighborhood funds to reduce recidivism among gun
offenders (DOJ, OMB);
32. Increase support for community programs that generate intelligence about firearms
trafficking (DOJ, OMB);
33. Promote Wal-Mart’s Responsible Firearms Retailers Partnership as a voluntary program
for gun dealers (ATF);
34. Produce updated versions of reports on firearms trafficking (DOJ, ATF);
35. Expand the scope of ATF’s trace reports (DOJ, ATF);
36. Fund external research of emerging problems in gun trafficking (DOJ, ATF);
37. Develop industry standards for gun safety locks (CPSC).
VI. Enforcement of Existing Laws on Especially Dangerous Firearms:
38. Resume enforcement of the ban on the importation of non-sporting purpose firearms
(DHS, ATF, DOJ);
39. Require dealers to report multiple sales of long guns most commonly linked to crime (ATF);
40. Subject purchasers of Stinger Pen Guns to stricter background checks and registration

Hickenlooper is a threat to our right to own guns!

[funkfool]

I sent him a letter last August regarding this - never even received a response.
My letter:
Mayor Hickenlooper,
I urge you to resign from the Mayors Against Illegal Guns coalition, (MAIG). I believe you need to reassess your membership and support of the MAIG because the organization has more than illegal guns in mind. I believe that the group is also against legal and lawful ownership of firearms. This is evident in their continuous mischaracterization of facts and outright falsehoods as stated by Mayor Bloomberg and other members.

From Mayor Bloomberg:
“The gun laws of one state affect the people of all the other states."
The mayors said they hope to stanch the flow of guns from states that have less-stringent laws by pressing for tougher gun-control measures nationwide...
A MAIG advertisement in PA:
The “Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act” (S. 845) would require Pennsylvania to honor concealed carry permits granted by other states, even when those permit holders could not meet the standards required by Pennsylvania law. This would strip Pennsylvanians of the power to create their own public safety laws, and hand that power to the states with the weakest protections.
The last thing we need in Pennsylvania is to have Congress gut our laws and endanger our police officers by allowing alcohol abusers and people convicted of impersonating a police officer to carry concealed guns in our communities.”

This is a lie.
The concealed carry reciprocity act does not allow this. Individual states have very stringent rules for permits. I challenge anyone to show me where, as MAIG states, “alcohol abusers and people convicted of impersonating a police officer” were allowed to acquire or keep a concealed carry permit.

Concealed carry permit holders are by nature, law-abiding citizens and the incident rate is far lees that the general population, estimates are in the hundredths of one percent for violent acts perpetrated by permit holders.

Bloomberg sponsors violation of Virginia law:
A few years back, Bloomberg hired private investigators to break the law in Virginia. In 2007, following a series of Bloomberg-sponsored undercover “sting” operations at gun shops in states including Virginia, Virginia passed a law prohibiting the Bloomberg practice of sending out civilian investigators who deliberately attempted to simulate straw purchases.

Regarding the Virginia Tech tragedy, Bloomberg stated:
“Lost family members would be alive if Virginia closed the so-called “gun show loophole.””
There are at least two major lies in that statement:
1) Murderer Seung-Hui Cho bought his guns legally at a regular firearms store and passed the government-mandated background check because mental health folks failed to report him. Then-Attorney General Bob McDonnell worked quickly to resolve that issue. Gun shows had nothing to do with Virginia Tech.
2) There is no “gun show loophole”. Dealers at gun shows must conduct all the background checks at gun shows that they do back at the store.
From the MAIG website:
“We respect the rights of law abiding citizens to own guns, and we recognize that the vast majority of gun dealers carefully follow the law. Our only interest is in fighting crime -- and we are determined to win. The polarizing rhetoric of gun politics on all sides only obscures the tragic reality we see every day on our streets: violent criminals with easy access to firearms.”

This is NOT their true agenda.
They want stricter gun laws in ALL 50 states.
The MAIG group is a virtual who’s who of anti-gun civil servants.
Civil servants… no, they are trying to push their personal agenda regardless of the safety of their constituents.
Again, I urge you to resign from this anti-gun group, as I firmly believe it is not consistent with your constituent’s rights and beliefs.

Thank you,
XXXXXXXXXXX

I urge every citizen of Denver to send him a letter similar to this...

[saddleup]

I sent him a letter last August regarding this - never even received a response.
My letter:
Mayor Hickenlooper,
I urge you to resign from the Mayors Against Illegal Guns coalition, (MAIG). I believe you need to reassess your membership and support of the MAIG because the organization has more than illegal guns in mind. I believe that the group is also against legal and lawful ownership of firearms. This is evident in their continuous mischaracterization of facts and outright falsehoods as stated by Mayor Bloomberg and other members.

From Mayor Bloomberg:
“The gun laws of one state affect the people of all the other states."
The mayors said they hope to stanch the flow of guns from states that have less-stringent laws by pressing for tougher gun-control measures nationwide...
A MAIG advertisement in PA:
The “Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act” (S. 845) would require Pennsylvania to honor concealed carry permits granted by other states, even when those permit holders could not meet the standards required by Pennsylvania law. This would strip Pennsylvanians of the power to create their own public safety laws, and hand that power to the states with the weakest protections.
The last thing we need in Pennsylvania is to have Congress gut our laws and endanger our police officers by allowing alcohol abusers and people convicted of impersonating a police officer to carry concealed guns in our communities.”

This is a lie.
The concealed carry reciprocity act does not allow this. Individual states have very stringent rules for permits. I challenge anyone to show me where, as MAIG states, “alcohol abusers and people convicted of impersonating a police officer” were allowed to acquire or keep a concealed carry permit.

Concealed carry permit holders are by nature, law-abiding citizens and the incident rate is far lees that the general population, estimates are in the hundredths of one percent for violent acts perpetrated by permit holders.

Bloomberg sponsors violation of Virginia law:
A few years back, Bloomberg hired private investigators to break the law in Virginia. In 2007, following a series of Bloomberg-sponsored undercover “sting” operations at gun shops in states including Virginia, Virginia passed a law prohibiting the Bloomberg practice of sending out civilian investigators who deliberately attempted to simulate straw purchases.

Regarding the Virginia Tech tragedy, Bloomberg stated:
“Lost family members would be alive if Virginia closed the so-called “gun show loophole.””
There are at least two major lies in that statement:
1) Murderer Seung-Hui Cho bought his guns legally at a regular firearms store and passed the government-mandated background check because mental health folks failed to report him. Then-Attorney General Bob McDonnell worked quickly to resolve that issue. Gun shows had nothing to do with Virginia Tech.
2) There is no “gun show loophole”. Dealers at gun shows must conduct all the background checks at gun shows that they do back at the store.
From the MAIG website:
“We respect the rights of law abiding citizens to own guns, and we recognize that the vast majority of gun dealers carefully follow the law. Our only interest is in fighting crime -- and we are determined to win. The polarizing rhetoric of gun politics on all sides only obscures the tragic reality we see every day on our streets: violent criminals with easy access to firearms.”

This is NOT their true agenda.
They want stricter gun laws in ALL 50 states.
The MAIG group is a virtual who’s who of anti-gun civil servants.
Civil servants… no, they are trying to push their personal agenda regardless of the safety of their constituents.
Again, I urge you to resign from this anti-gun group, as I firmly believe it is not consistent with your constituent’s rights and beliefs.

Thank you,
XXXXXXXXXXX

I urge every citizen of Denver to send him a letter similar to this...

This is why we need to put pressure on Hickenlooper. We NEED to know where he stands on guns in this state. Otherwise, we are in big trouble.

[Birddog1911]

This is why we need to put pressure on Hickenlooper. We NEED to know where he stands on guns in this state. Otherwise, we are in big trouble.

The SOB will just lie, like every one of those bastards.

[Great-Kazoo]

and you just realized this??

[Moviestar]

One of these threads AGAIN?

It says clearly in the PDF you posted, they are against illegal trafficking of guns between illegal gun owners. It has NOTHING to do with LEGAL gun owners, as well as the sale of privately owned firearms to ILLEGAL owners. They are called Mayors against illegal guns no mayors against legal guns.

Take your tin foil hats off, and read up on stuff before you post it and sound like an idiot. If you actually read it, its common sense. Of course you want to enforce harder laws on people selling to illegal gun owners, would you want to sell a gun to someone who has a criminal record and them have them use it in a crime?


It is honestly silly how bad the reading comprehension level is.

[Eow]

One of these threads AGAIN?

It says clearly in the PDF you posted, they are against illegal trafficking of guns between illegal gun owners. It has NOTHING to do with LEGAL gun owners, as well as the sale of privately owned firearms to ILLEGAL owners. They are called Mayors against illegal guns no mayors against legal guns.

Take your tin foil hats off, and read up on stuff before you post it and sound like an idiot. If you actually read it, its common sense. Of course you want to enforce harder laws on people selling to illegal gun owners, would you want to sell a gun to someone who has a criminal record and them have them use it in a crime?


It is honestly silly how bad the reading comprehension level is.

Wow, you actually believe that this organization is only out to protect Americans against illegal guns? I would never have believed that anyone on this forum was that naive. Think about it for even half a second: if your agenda is to prevent the common man from owning guns, are you more successful (a) telling people your real agenda, or (b) telling people you are only against illegal gun owners?

[rondog]

One of these threads AGAIN?

It says clearly in the PDF you posted, they are against illegal trafficking of guns between illegal gun owners. It has NOTHING to do with LEGAL gun owners, as well as the sale of privately owned firearms to ILLEGAL owners. They are called Mayors against illegal guns no mayors against legal guns.

Take your tin foil hats off, and read up on stuff before you post it and sound like an idiot. If you actually read it, its common sense. Of course you want to enforce harder laws on people selling to illegal gun owners, would you want to sell a gun to someone who has a criminal record and them have them use it in a crime?


It is honestly silly how bad the reading comprehension level is.

Was that KoolAid good?

[Moviestar]

Did any of you actually spend the time and read all 57 pages of that PDF? Seriously, take off the tin foil hats. Everytime someone mentions gun in politics people freak the fuck out. Not everyone is an evil, lying, flip flopping asshole. Its like a cockroach when you flip on the lights. According to you, anyone who isn't pro-gun is anti-gun, there is such a thing as the middle ground. Even people who say Obama is anti-gun is silly, he took the stand saying he was in favor of gun control, but recieved failing grades from the Brady Center on all positions gun control, he doesn't even favor the most anti-gun legislation of all...the AWB signed by Clinton. No one is going to try to take away our guns completely thats just an absurd thing to think about. Even california and new york still allow you to own firearms, and carry concealed. It is absolutely absurd to think that someone would actually try to take away our 2nd rights, which has been a part of our culture and heritage since the country has started.

Bitchtits.

[Ridge]

There is a reason all gun owners get concerned when politicians bring up gun control. They feel the only people that SHOULD have guns are the military, law enforcement, and their personal body guards. The rest of us shouldnt have so much as a break action .22, in their eyes...

The 1994 gun ban banned AR-15s, but not Ruger Mini-14s, despite firing the same round in the same manner. They banned guns based on LOOKS. NYC has banned guns that are painted. England has banned guns, bb guns and airsoft guns.