Just heard this;

[Irving]

Please explain how any of the following negatively effects society:

be it by looking like a thug, or wearing gang related clothing, walking like they have a stick up their ass in a half limp look to "be cool", putting golf cart tires on a perfectly good truck, having a huge nike swoosh sign on the back of their car window with their name is spanish with their car painted the color of the mexican flag. that draws attention. after that all the cop needs is suspicion of them committing a crime.

Even looking like you're in a gang doesn't matter if you AREN'T in a gang. Plus, looks are subjective. I doubt white bread Sniper knows shit about gangs or has any experience with them.

This stuff only draws attention from racists. Half the shit he mentioned (like small wheels, dressing a certain way, and Nike Swooshes) aren't even specifically a Mexican thing. Should we kick all the black people out of the country while we're at it Sniper? Just because you don't like the way they dress or their music? Is a different culture threatening to shatter your sheltered little world? I'm surprised you even tinted the windows on your truck, lest you look like some beaner.

[Bailey Guns]

I can't believe you're actually writing some of those things.

Even looking like you're in a gang doesn't matter if you AREN'T in a gang. Plus, looks are subjective. I doubt white bread Sniper knows shit about gangs or has any experience with them.

How many times has some kid been killed because he was wearing the wrong colors or the wrong team jacket in the wrong part of town? Plenty. That's total horseshit to say looking or dressing a certain way can't have negative consequences.

This stuff only draws attention from racists.

What the fuck ever! You're the one talking shit here.

[Jumpstart]

Please explain how any of the following negatively effects society:



Even looking like you're in a gang doesn't matter if you AREN'T in a gang. Plus, looks are subjective. I doubt white bread Sniper knows shit about gangs or has any experience with them.

This stuff only draws attention from racists. Half the shit he mentioned (like small wheels, dressing a certain way, and Nike Swooshes) aren't even specifically a Mexican thing. Should we kick all the black people out of the country while we're at it Sniper? Just because you don't like the way they dress or their music? Is a different culture threatening to shatter your sheltered little world? I'm surprised you even tinted the windows on your truck, lest you look like some beaner.

Amazing how a little Latina strange will mess with your commons sense.

[Irving]

I can't believe you're actually writing some of those things.



How many times has some kid been killed because he was wearing the wrong colors or the wrong team jacket in the wrong part of town? Plenty. That's total horseshit to say looking or dressing a certain way can't have negative consequences.



What the fuck ever! You're the one talking shit here.

Is this a conversation about gangs or a conversation about illegals? Let's try to stay focused or else this thread is going to boil over with more racism than it already has.

I'll call any one of you out for being a racist, just like I did Sniper.

Thinking that small wire wheels = illegal Mexican =

This thread isn't even about illegals anymore, it's about hating Mexicans.

"It's about time Arizona did something about those illegals, I've always hated low riders." Give me a break.

I like how most of you seem to have forgotten that I fully support this bill as well. What I DON'T support is open racism and abuse of citizens by law enforcement (as I've posted on the other thread).

Or maybe I'm full of shit and none of the legal immigrants in this country go to Wal-mart or the DMV. Maybe after they get their legal status they all die their skin white, grow 5", and trade in their Shakira CD's for Alan Jackson. That must be it.

[Jumpstart]

I'll call any one of you out for being a racist, just like I did Sniper.

Maybe after they get their legal status they all die their skin white, grow 5", and trade in their Shakira CD's for Alan Jackson. That must be it.

Wow. That was quite a "racist" comment dude. I guess we should add you to the "racists" then?

[Bailey Guns]

Fine. Then stay focused on the law. Not one person here can give a rational reason why this law is "bad". All I've seen is irrational, emotionally charged rhetoric coming from those that are against the law.

[Jumpstart]

Fine. Then stay focused on the law. Not one person here can give a rational reason why this law is "bad". All I've seen is irrational, emotionally charged rhetoric coming from those that are against the law.

A law mind you, that mirrors a federal law. Seventy years of it.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Calm down Stu... If a LEO was being a racist to anyone anywhere anytime in or outside AZ, blame it on that LEO - not the Law. I dont see racism within the bill itself. Aside from how will they enforce the law, I cannot say this bill will encourage racism etc. The law simply says Illegals are illegals.

My 2 cents!

[Mtn.man]

Hey vato's I better puts me low rider in the chop and hang low for a wile.....



Da law is da law,, 70 years or now it's da law...

[Jumpstart]

We looked at the immigration provisions of the Mexican constitution. [1] Now let's look at Mexico's main [COLOR=#e0e060 !important][COLOR=#e0e060 !important]immigration [COLOR=#e0e060 !important]law[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR].

Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:

•Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)

•[COLOR=#e0e060 !important][COLOR=#e0e060 !important]Immigration [COLOR=#e0e060 !important]officials[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)

•Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)

•The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest." (Article 38)

Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:

•Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of [COLOR=#e0e060 !important][COLOR=#e0e060 !important]illegal [COLOR=#e0e060 !important]immigrants[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]. (Article 73)

•A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86)

•A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:

•Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)

•Foreigners who sign government documents "with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)

Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:

•Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)

•Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)

•Foreigners who violate the terms of their [COLOR=#e0e060 !important][COLOR=#e0e060 !important]visa[/COLOR][/COLOR] may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico -- such as working with out a permit -- can also be imprisoned.

Under Mexican law, [COLOR=#e0e060 !important][COLOR=#e0e060 !important]illegal [COLOR=#e0e060 !important]immigration[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] is a felony. The General Law on Population says,

•"A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)

•Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)

•Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)

Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:

•A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)

•Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)