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    The article with that video is all sorts of full of information...
    No Speakers on the PC at work so I couldn't catch all the specifics...
    Was this just a routine traffic stop?

    The Article vaguely says something about 'McCloskey takes off at a high rate of speed'

    Either way... the guy was no threat, but there could be alot more to the situation then they published
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    All the reporter mentions is that the officer had been following them. They took off from the stop at a high rate of speed. the officer then hit his lights/sirens. The other guy hits a curb loses control and McCloskey stops his bike and gets shot in the back.

    The officer tells him "put your hands up" after shooting him in the back.

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    so, you have 2 guys on bikes. they dont care that "the MAN" is following them. This pisses the cop off (maybe). They look to be following the traffic laws, as they stopped at the stop sign. Then, as people do, they rolled the throttle on and took off for a short distance. it looks like to me they just gunned it from one stop to the next. I ride a harley and I do that sometimes, as do many cars and bikes. So the cop lights them up, and rolls his lights and siren. this startles the one guy who then doesnt negotiate the turn. The other kid stops immediately. has his left hand holding the clutch in, maybe he didnt have time to find neutral. his is in no position (while stradling a bike) to turn his body to the left and pose a danger to the cop. he cant turn to the right because he is holding the clutch in. bang, cop fucked up. you cant go back, but someone needs to pay.

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    Without all the other information it almost looks from the video like it could be an ND (like that female officer who shot the guy being handcuffed on the ground), but I guess if the officer is going with "I thought he had a gun" then I guess that wasn't the case.

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    It did seem like the officer was unaware that the weapon had fired until he approached the man. In which case it would be an accident, to bad the guy is paralized from it.

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    Am I missing something here? I'm not a LEO, so my question is really a question, not rhetorical. The LEO shoots the guy, then when we see him on camera his gun is holstered and he draws it again?? Why would you shoot someone, holster your weapon, approach the guy and then draw your weapon again?

    ???

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    Piss poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldFinger View Post
    Am I missing something here? I'm not a LEO, so my question is really a question, not rhetorical. The LEO shoots the guy, then when we see him on camera his gun is holstered and he draws it again?? Why would you shoot someone, holster your weapon, approach the guy and then draw your weapon again?

    ???
    I noticed that too. Maybe the gunman on the grassy knoll took the first shot.

    Draw, bang, holster, draw, warning. Brilliant, the most dangerous form of dyslexia.

    Does the cop say anything before he shoots? The defense seems to try to make a deal out of the riders turn and hand position, but how else do you turn?

    If there are any cops on the thread, it seems a bit extreme to pull the gun for a bunny rabbit start. Be interesting to see the videos from other speeding stops of motorcycles with this department.

    I'd guess that the victim was watching his buddy thinking 'dumb-ass' when he gets shot in the back.

    Interesting that the other unit was there too. I think those guys were going to get pulled over at that intersection no matter what.

    I can understand why people think that there must be something else to the story, it is just too hard to beleive that.

    I think the cop is going to see a number of negligent discharges when he is prison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldFinger View Post
    Am I missing something here? I'm not a LEO, so my question is really a question, not rhetorical. The LEO shoots the guy, then when we see him on camera his gun is holstered and he draws it again?? Why would you shoot someone, holster your weapon, approach the guy and then draw your weapon again?

    ???
    You do what you are trained to do in high stress situations. Standard qualifications has the cops drawing, firing, scanning, reholstering... He did what he was conditioned to do. It's not good conditioning, but there it is...

    Watching the video, I suspect the cops going to be found guilty. It's really hard to say without seeing all the evidence though.

    On a side note; many of you have been pretty hard on the cops lately. You all seem to forget that these incidents are the exception not the majority by far. Making blanket judgements on any group based on the exceptions is dangerous ground. I've read quite a few of these type statements in the last two or three "hate cops" threads lately.

    I also suspect the hate cops threads keep coming like they have lately, and the mods are going to start shutting them down... Hate is easy, critical thinking takes work.
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