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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim K View Post
    I won't get involved in this discussion except to say this in defense of the new law: Child molesters are psychologically unique in that they can not be rehabilitated. Whatever it is that goes on in their brains that causes them to lust for kids is hardwired and simply can not be undone. With a child molester, the question is not if they will molest again, it's when. Given opportunity, they will continue to hurt kids forever.
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    Few lashes here, few flogging there, and a few physical and emotional scars later, most peeps in Singapore are very law abiding - ok.. almost too sheeple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim K View Post
    I won't get involved in this discussion except to say this in defense of the new law: Child molesters are psychologically unique in that they can not be rehabilitated. Whatever it is that goes on in their brains that causes them to lust for kids is hardwired and simply can not be undone. With a child molester, the question is not if they will molest again, it's when. Given opportunity, they will continue to hurt kids forever.
    That's because.. a child molester in this country gets better treatment, food, and facilities than some of our troops fighting for their life in the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim K View Post
    I won't get involved in this discussion except to say this in defense of the new law: Child molesters are psychologically unique in that they can not be rehabilitated. Whatever it is that goes on in their brains that causes them to lust for kids is hardwired and simply can not be undone. With a child molester, the question is not if they will molest again, it's when. Given opportunity, they will continue to hurt kids forever.

    I'm no expert (but I know one), but to my knowledge this kind of compulsion is unique, or nearly unique to child molesters. In fact, the only recognized way to keep them from molesting again is chemical castration. The fact that some willingly choose to undergo this treatment to stop themselves speaks volumes about the power of the compulsion.

    Knowing that, I can understand the motive for wanting to keep these perverts locked up. I leave it to the rest of you to decide if it's a good idea or not.
    Not all pedophiles are the same. Many never give up the compulsion, but a rare few can. Any expert that says all or nothing is vary rarely an expert.

    Chemical castration also very rarely works... The data is out there.

    Here's the problem with complex issues: none of the experts agree, the data doesn't point to an easy resolution, and common knowledge is not always right. In this case, sexual offenders are more than just ped's, and not all of the offenders are what I or psychologists would consider on the path to child predation or serial sexual offenders. I've seen it multiple times.
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    If someone is convicted, given a sentence, and serves that sentence, they should be released. PERIOD.

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    Like someone already said this law is for sex offenders not just child molesters.

    Take this on for size.

    In Colorado, if you take a leak in an alley you can end up as a sex offender.
    yes you read that correctly. since you have to " expose" yourself to take said leak the cop can hit ya with exposing in public.. which ends you up on the sex offender list. oh sure you might only get a couple days in jail.. so you serve those then some paper pusher puts a hold on you till HE decides your ok to let out.

    So Some 22 year old kid walking home from the bar stops to take a leak and ends up in jail till this guy decides to let him out.

    Or YOU are out in the woods take a leak in front of the wrong person and BLAM your in the same situation.

    That's SCAREY

    There needs to be a judge and lawyers involved. Not some pencil pusher that doesn't really answer to anyone.

    And My MAIN Point which some has missed. It's not the child pornographers or molesters or rapist's I'm worried about. heck I like the idea for THEM. the problem is ....... now there is case law and precedent for this to be applied to ANYTHING. Murder, Theft, Stealing Cable. ANYTHING.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim K View Post
    I won't get involved in this discussion except to say this in defense of the new law: Child molesters are psychologically unique in that they can not be rehabilitated. Whatever it is that goes on in their brains that causes them to lust for kids is hardwired and simply can not be undone. With a child molester, the question is not if they will molest again, it's when. Given opportunity, they will continue to hurt kids forever.

    I'm no expert (but I know one), but to my knowledge this kind of compulsion is unique, or nearly unique to child molesters. In fact, the only recognized way to keep them from molesting again is chemical castration. The fact that some willingly choose to undergo this treatment to stop themselves speaks volumes about the power of the compulsion.

    Knowing that, I can understand the motive for wanting to keep these perverts locked up. I leave it to the rest of you to decide if it's a good idea or not.
    I'm no expert on the subject either, but I can't agree with this- anytime someone spouts absolutes, my BS meter goes full scale, and it sounds like this person has an axe to grind- and this subject certainly gets some peoples blood boiling. Even if it were true- change the sentencing in the first place, or place them on probation upon release, and when they violate the terms (go to the park and watch kids, but not report it to the PO), then you can put them back in jail & bring up new charges.

    preemptively keeping them in jail because "you just KNOW" they're going to commit a crime is wrong.. I understand it's well-intentioned... remember that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

    As a father of 4 children, I am bothered by the "Think of the children" political bag of tricks - they can pander to safety Nazi types to violate constitutional rights by using buzzwords & emotions... it's this mentality that leads to juries ignoring some facts because they get emotionally worked up about the crime, and less about the facts. For the sake of protecting them as children, they're willing to ruin this country for them when they grow up.

    if you don't like the punishment that someone received for a crime, then change the punishment for that crime- and live with the mistake you didn't get it right the 1st time- do NOT use it as an excuse to turn this country into a police state. There are procedures and technology in place to keep tabs on individuals while on parole/probation- they have to keep a journal of when they encounter individuals under 18, and the circumstances.. if their PO finds them falsifying the journal, they can immediately issue a warrant for their arrest.

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