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Been there, done that. Our local unfriendlies used to like to punctuate the end of the late afternoon call to prayer with 2 mortar rounds timed perfectly as the muezzin finished.Originally Posted by Elhuero
That experience did not lead me to make snap judgments about any other interaction with Muslims, though. Your emotions are leading you around by the nose here.
I encourage y'all to go to www.gotquestions.org and inquire about some of these thoughts you have on Muslim activities/beliefs etc in regard to the Qua'ran, Torrah, Bible, etc....
Specifically for this thread: http://www.gotquestions.org/Muslim-questions.html
Yes, this is a Christian oriented website. Yes, I'm sure you can find some faults. Do your research. Blah, blah, every other disclaimer here...
Just in case it needs to be said again, Islam is at war with the rest of the non-islam world. You wont win a war by letting the enemy in and giving them the platform to defeat you. They moved into Africa and Europe and since they are close to victory they have expanded into north and South America.
This is the same thing the commies, marxist, socialists have done to America for the past century and it is very effective. They have a large part of our schools and universities on board and our youth have largely fallen to their ideals. Their ideals are so deep into socity now we have a president and a large # of represenitives in DC that live by their teachings. We have many popular stars praising these world leaders and displaying their images in moves and popular culture.
You can deney whats happening but that does not make it go away and our constitution makes it easy for this to happen, its up to us as individuals to make sure they are not welcome and we take the action necessary to save the freedom that allowed them in that they wish to take away.
We need to use their tatics and stand in the way of workers so they cant build it, use every EPA loop to delay it, dump pig blood in and on anyone coming and leaving the location and if all else fails burn that mosque to the ground.
In order to uphold The Constitution we need to protect it.
thier tactics? great now i have to find a vest and a very dull knife
have we have been infiltrated?
I believe I explained both above but maybe it was clear to me only.
Tactics of the left, burn down new developments and bomb infastructure in the name of protecting the enviroment. Dump blood and paint on people becuase they wear animal products. Block construction with force or legal challanges.
I was not refering to the Islam tactics of killing people for not belonging to their belief system and blowing up streets of people at wedding's, but you can go for that if you want, free will and all.
I assume you ment How have we been infiltrated: I cant explain that any more then I have already, schools, culture, politics, etc.
I disagree with your viewpoint, so now all my opinions are "snap judgments"?
Your naivete and political correctness are leading you around by your nose.
I didn't say anything about all your opinions, only this one. I dealt with those horrible nasty terrble Muslims for 7 1/2 years, so I hardly think naivete would describe my outlook on them.
You say I am politically correct. I personally don't care if they get to build a mosque or not. But I ask you as an apparent red-blooded American, are you in favor of persecution of others for their religious beliefs? Does the irony not strike you as rich? So much for the Constitution, I guess. Too many people think that it should apply to them, but not to others. I haven't even addressed the idea of treating a billion and half or two billion people as some sort of coherent whole with a single overriding aim and description. The idea is ludicrous. That said, they often have no idea how varied we are in our opinions and political theories, either. It was kind of funny how often I had to debunk some silly semi-conspiracist idea they floated to me as "how Americans think" and how it is in the US / West. That's something you've got in common.
The problem I see with muslims and being "at war with islam" is that they do not subscribe to the same ideals of warfare.
They targeted a clearly civilian target with no regard to the women and children etc.
We try our best (not always successful) to eliminate any civilian casualties and fight them as though they are a military power. This will be our undoing. We need to learn to fight the enemy as the enemy wants to fight us. Ii am not advocating killing civilians, but trying to tippy toe around everyhere has made us weaker and less effective in everything we have done militarily since Vietnam. Our forefathers would be spinning in their graves if they saw how we run a military operation these days.
The only thing they respect is power and we need to finally show them that we mean business.
Do I have a problem with being politically correct? You are damn right I do, political correctness will be the death of this country, no civilization has ever survived without a common language, goals and for the most part religion, Yes i understand that we are supposed to tolerate all religions, but that doesn't mean that a toxic religion such as islam should be tolerated.
They have no interest in being islamic us citizens. They will not tolerate your religion. When their numbers are strong enough they will snuff you and your kids and your country out.
If you don't think allowing "differing religions and different culture permeate our country is dangerous you are sadly mistaken. Two examples are Phoenix, AZ, more mosques per square mile than any other city in the nation and a severe illegal alien problem. Now they are the kidnapping capital of the nation if not the world, the mexican drug cartels are rampant.
Paris, France, a boat load of muslims, last count was 5 million I believe. Their lifestyle and their country are already dead they just don't know it yet. They print one cartoon and the city burned for three weeks cause they pissed off the muslims.
If you think something like that couldn't happen in Phoenix you are again sadly mistaken. It is about time we get our heads out of the sand and stop trying to make everyone feel good.
We have politically corrected ourselves into the biggest recession in history, 10 million americans out of work and we have 20 million illegals working and not paying taxes and taking free everything. How f...ed up is that. We don't know how to get Americans back to work??? Get rid of illegal labor and a boat load of Americans will go back to work.
I have to pay thousands of dollars out of my pocket to get my kids the school supplies and health care they need, but if was a mexican, whoa buddy here it is for free,
take your political correctness and shove it where the sun don't shine, my ancestors are buried all over the south fighting for human rights and equality for those who deserved it, that doesn't mean that we have to wet nurse the entire worlds population inside our borders. And they damn sure didn't die so that we turn into a bunch of wusses and let the world run all over us.
If you are not willing to stand up for your flag and stand up for what is good and honest and right then you are part of the problem.
sorry for one of my first posts to be such a rant, but man this thread pushed a lot of my buttons.
on a side note: Oklahoma passed a similar bill to the AZ immigration law in 2007, my father happened to be in the state at the time the bill went into law. The flood of illegals leaving was incredible. Fast forward to January 2010 and OK has one of the lowest unemployment rates in the nation, nearly 1/2 the unemployment of states like CA who just can't believe they would do something like that. http://www.ok.gov/oesc_web/documents/lmiusuejan10.pdf
Last edited by rockhound; 06-11-2010 at 22:35.
Rock on Rockhound
The problem I see with muslims and being "at war with islam" is that they do not subscribe to the same ideals of warfare.
They targeted a clearly civilian target with no regard to the women and children etc.
We try our best (not always successful) to eliminate any civilian casualties and fight them as though they are a military power. This will be our undoing. We need to learn to fight the enemy as the enemy wants to fight us. Ii am not advocating killing civilians, but trying to tippy toe around everyhere has made us weaker and less effective in everything we have done militarily since Vietnam. Our forefathers would be spinning in their graves if they saw how we run a military operation these days.
The only thing they respect is power and we need to finally show them that we mean business.
Do I have a problem with being politically correct? You are damn right I do, political correctness will be the death of this country, no civilization has ever survived without a common language, goals and for the most part religion, Yes i understand that we are supposed to tolerate all religions, but that doesn't mean that a toxic religion such as islam should be tolerated.
They have no interest in being islamic us citizens. They will not tolerate your religion. When their numbers are strong enough they will snuff you and your kids and your country out.
If you don't think allowing "differing religions and different culture permeate our country is dangerous you are sadly mistaken. Two examples are Phoenix, AZ, more mosques per square mile than any other city in the nation and a severe illegal alien problem. Now they are the kidnapping capital of the nation if not the world, the mexican drug cartels are rampant.
Paris, France, a boat load of muslims, last count was 5 million I believe. Their lifestyle and their country are already dead they just don't know it yet. They print one cartoon and the city burned for three weeks cause they pissed off the muslims.
If you think something like that couldn't happen in Phoenix you are again sadly mistaken. It is about time we get our heads out of the sand and stop trying to make everyone feel good.
We have politically corrected ourselves into the biggest recession in history, 10 million americans out of work and we have 20 million illegals working and not paying taxes and taking free everything. How f...ed up is that. We don't know how to get Americans back to work??? Get rid of illegal labor and a boat load of Americans will go back to work.
I have to pay thousands of dollars out of my pocket to get my kids the school supplies and health care they need, but if was a mexican, whoa buddy here it is for free,
take your political correctness and shove it where the sun don't shine, my ancestors are buried all over the south fighting for human rights and equality for those who deserved it, that doesn't mean that we have to wet nurse the entire worlds population inside our borders. And they damn sure didn't die so that we turn into a bunch of wusses and let the world run all over us.
If you are not willing to stand up for your flag and stand up for what is good and honest and right then you are part of the problem.
sorry for one of my first posts to be such a rant, but man this thread pushed a lot of my buttons.
on a side note: Oklahoma passed a similar bill to the AZ immigration law in 2007, my father happened to be in the state at the time the bill went into law. The flood of illegals leaving was incredible. Fast forward to January 2010 and OK has one of the lowest unemployment rates in the nation, nearly 1/2 the unemployment of states like CA who just can't believe they would do something like that. http://www.ok.gov/oesc_web/documents/lmiusuejan10.pdf
Yeah Buddy
take your political correctness and shove it where the sun don't shine, my ancestors are buried all over the south fighting for human rights and equality for those who deserved it, that doesn't mean that we have to wet nurse the entire worlds population inside our borders. And they damn sure didn't die so that we turn into a bunch of wusses and let the world run all over us.
If you are not willing to stand up for your flag and stand up for what is good and honest and right then you are part of the problem.
WELL SAID!!
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