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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    I did Spring Creek the first time with spotting and no damage. I did it a second time and got lazy and dented a rocker panel.
    I almost forgot! I did NOT do the huge boulder in the beginning of the trail. My friend with the same vehicle (minus the supercharger) did it though. He had a lot more body armor on his rig and was a lot more experienced. I had made maybe one payment on my truck at the time.

    ETA: Checked out the link for the Empire loop. Surely easy for Skully, but I'm interested. It'd be nice to do something that needs some spotting. My wife doesn't really know how to spot me on stuff except, "Am I on a rock?!" "Yep!" lol.
    Last time I did Spring Creek the Rock Garden a WJ mildly lifted went up the bypass, they got stuck worse as it was narrow and rutted out. The rock Garden at least it is wide and can take many different lines and zig zag through.


    Quote Originally Posted by hurley842002 View Post
    Lol sounds like she's about the same level as my wife. First time mine spotted for me, she was doing all these funky hand signals lol. Needless to say we had a brief lesson afterwards.
    I love the 3 trails up there Red Elephant/MIll Crek/Bill Moore (Empire loop), spend all day doing them, beautiful area, lots of different things to crawl over etc. I just fall back on them so much if I cant figure out where to go that I realized I need to find some new fall backs. They are also SUPER busy on holiday Weekends.

    Directions with taking Red Elephant;
    Go up Red Elephant (say hello to the rude angry looking residents that live off the first part of the trail.) Go up this narrow steep hill and watch out for the rutted out area with rocks/boulders and the 500 steep roll off hill. Make your way up the 3-4 tight switchbacks. When you get to the top and go through the dense tree area, you will come to a meadow open area with the first Y, take a right if you want to go the easy way (counter clockwise) on Mill Creek (going down the hills with the rocks/cliffs) or pass that Y and come to the second Y and take a right to the funner way (clockwise) make sure you stop at the "Empire Hilton" either direction you take and gander at the bug infested beds you would never sleep on and say hello to "Rudy" the bear. Either direction you go when you come back to main road after completing Mill creek head west (right) until you come down a hill and another Y take a right to Bill Moore Lake. Pose in the old barely there cabins near the lake.

    I have down this trail so many times I can do it half blind.


    (BTW Irving I have never seen anyone get spotted on the Empire loop even in a stock XJ. Your should be good. )
    Last edited by Skully; 08-30-2013 at 22:40.
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