New 5.56 rounds

[275RLTW]

http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2010armamen...ffreyWoods.pdf

here was it's competition, the MK 318 MOD 0...but don't listen to the input from the guys on the ground, they don't know anything...
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2009infantr...ioniii8524.pdf

[DD977GM2]

If it is better

IMHO it sounds like a whole smoke and mirrors bullshit. All that article said was that it is greener and improves upon the older M855. Not one piece of technical data to back up thier claim.

[275RLTW]

If it is better

IMHO it sounds like a whole smoke and mirrors bullshit. All that article said was that it is greener and improves upon the older M855. Not one piece of technical data to back up thier claim.

Hmmmm...sounds like something from 1600 Penn Ave....

[Hoosier]

When they say "Green" I think they mean green tipped bullets, right?

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiped...artridge_types

• Cartridge, Caliber 5.56 mm, Ball, M855 (United States): 5.56x45mm 62-grain FN SS109 ball cartridge, green tip w/steel penetrator and a lead core.
• Cartridge, Caliber 5.56 mm, Ball, M855 Lead Free (United States):62-grain green tip w/tungsten penetrator and a steel core. Primarily used during training in countries with strict lead disposal laws.

When they talk about good-for-the-environment it's labeled "Lead Free." This is why you never shoot green tips at steel, ja?

H.

[SAnd]

The Hague Convention of 1899 prohibited the use of "Bullets which expand or flatten in the human body" by people that agreed to it. http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/dec99-03.asp

Starship Troopers by Robert Heinlein is worth reading. The movie isn't half as good as the book.

[Byte Stryke]

So in accordance to the document itself it is NOT a requirement for the United states to follow this agreement in that the Taliban never signed this declaration.

It will also cease to be obligatory from the moment when, in a war between Contracting or Acceding Parties, a Non-Contracting Party or a Non-Acceding Party shall join one of the belligerents.

so yeah... Break open the .50BMG explosive incendiary JHPs
Jihad that!


what?...

I'm just stating the rule of war...

[SNAFU]

The Hague Convention of 1899 prohibited the use of "Bullets which expand or flatten in the human body" by people that agreed to it. http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/dec99-03.asp

Could be wrong,will look in my library to verify.
It was done due to the first Boer War,called the "Transvaal War".
When the Dutch{Boers} were creating dum dum rounds,the first hollow points.
It terrified the Brits,who sought to make the rounds illeagel in future conflicts.
Due to its tremendious destructivness.

As a side note Winston Churchill was captured by the Boers,in the 2nd Boer War.

[SAnd]

Dum-Dum Arsenal was an Arsenal, British military facility located near the town of Dum Dum (near Calcutta) in modern West Bengal, India.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dum_Dum_Arsenal

I'm sure other people and armies were looking into it also.

[SNAFU]

Dum-Dum Arsenal was an Arsenal, British military facility located near the town of Dum Dum (near Calcutta) in modern West Bengal, India.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dum_Dum_Arsenal

I'm sure other people and armies were looking into it also.

Yes I know thast,notice I didn't capitalise the "D"
It is also what was called the round that was modified by cutting part of the bullet in the round.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanding_bullet
The Boers were notorious for making these.

At the Hague Convention of 1899 ,it was the Germans who were trying to get the round banned.They had just invented the "spire" bullet for their Mausers.
Also note the convention only covered rounds upto 400grams.

[agent-smith]

So in accordance to the document itself it is NOT a requirement for the United states to follow this agreement in that the Taliban never signed this declaration.




so yeah... Break open the .50BMG explosive incendiary JHPs
Jihad that!


what?...

I'm just stating the rule of war...

I don't think that the U.S. ever formally "signed" the Hague Convention of 1899 which specified "The Contracting Parties agree to abstain from the use of bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core, or is pierced with incisions." (the U.S. has accepted/acknowledged the Convention/treaty/whatever but we're under no formal/legal obligation to do so)

The U.S. did sign the Hague Convention of 1907, which states: "…it is especially forbidden -

To employ arms, projectiles, or material{sic} calculated to cause unnecessary suffering;"

Personally, I don't either way; I say we use whatever is most effective.