New 5.56 rounds

[275RLTW]

http://www.defensereview.com/u-s-arm...ts-an-upgrade/


Hopefully it works better on soft targets than previous M855. I never understood why AP is acceptable for shooting people but not HP's? Stupid Geneva Conventions....

[iamhunter]

What the hell? They tell you how much better it is, but don't give one reason why.

@colocww, would HP be ideal for combat at all? Given the high probablility of barriers, thick clothing, and body armor, I would you think you'd be much better off with a mild AP or even hardball....

[BigBear]

I never understood why AP is acceptable for shooting people but not HP's?

I can answer that! Because AP's go straight through and the person shot could be saved, while with the damage that HP's do, one does not have the garauntee of saving the "victim" and thus is inhumane....


HAHAHA. No seriously... I'll try to post links when I find 'em.

What I still can't find the answer too is not what ammo is acceptable, but why anyone would shoot to injure and NOT kill?! HAHAHAHA. So I agree, Silly Geneva Conventions...

[cowboykjohnson]

There really isn't any info to back up why it is better... but it's green so Obama will approve!

[Irving]

I was always under the impression that fmj was used to wound rather than kill enemies. Something about wounding one guy will take 2-3 people off the battle field (1-2 guys to carry the guy to safety), opposed to just killing one guy.

Now that I think about it, I don't know where I originally heard that.

[cowboykjohnson]

I was always under the impression that fmj was used to wound rather than kill enemies. Something about wounding one guy will take 2-3 people off the battle field (1-2 guys to carry the guy to safety), opposed to just killing one guy.

Now that I think about it, I don't know where I originally heard that.

I have heard that from many people... but have never seen anything to back it up.

[275RLTW]

@colocww, would HP be ideal for combat at all? Given the high probablility of barriers, thick clothing, and body armor, I would you think you'd be much better off with a mild AP or even hardball....

Anything would be better than M855. 5-6 rounds to put down a 110lb man? Seriously? The "varmit grenades" were used by one contractor but he was booted out for that one (not using approved ammo). Not too many hadji's have body armor so I don't understand the reason for increased hard target penetration as if 5.56 is used for anti-tank purposes. Any why are we worried about "green" ammo to kill people with? Who cares if they get lead poisioning....that's the intent! Between this and the McChrystal firing, I'm really getting disappointed...but that's another thread.

[BigBear]

I personally think wounding is faulty logic.... They may be out of that particular battle, but you'll see them again and they won't be trying to "wound" you....

But I've heard the wounding thing too, which is where my eariler comment stems from I believe.

[Byte Stryke]

What the hell? They tell you how much better it is, but don't give one reason why.

@colocww, would HP be ideal for combat at all? Given the high probablility of barriers, thick clothing, and body armor, I would you think you'd be much better off with a mild AP or even hardball....

How dare you question the Party!
You will accept the propaganda as truth without question!

/sarcasm

I say our guys stick with the .308 and say screw the silly shit.
Nothing defeats an enemy like the overwhelming force of large amounts of Lead...

Fuck the Obamanauts and the Econauts.

Anyone remember the Movie(term used loosely) Starship Troopers?
I Loved the idea that in order to become a politician or vote or breed you had to prove yourself and serve in the national defense.

It adds a little chlorine to the gene-pool while diluting the bullshit levels in politics.(if just a little bit)

[cowboykjohnson]

Maybe they'll start selling of mass quantities of M855 for cheap now.... I can dream right?