You know, this mail order class sounds more informative than the 8 hour basic pistol class from the NRA...
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You know, this mail order class sounds more informative than the 8 hour basic pistol class from the NRA...
Why? Having a gun is a right guaranteed by the Second Amendment. Driving is a privilege, not a right. You put far more people in danger by getting behind the wheel than you do carrying a pistol.Originally Posted by OneGuy67
I don't agree that one is more dangerous than the other. Both are potentially deadly when utilized. The fact that it is far easier to obtain a CCW by any nut who has managed to stay out of big trouble prior to sitting through a 2 hour class on holsters and imprinting and some legal issues. Owning a gun is a right that has limitations; a CCW isn't a right without limitation and one doesn't equal the other.
Before anyone's dander gets up, I'm not calling people with CCW's nuts, but I have run into some I would consider a nut who have a CCW solely because they haven't done anything yet to warrant them not having one. I'm glad the sheriff's I've dealt with are quick to yank the CCW when one of these people do finally step on it.
My point is, it requires a lot more to get a driver's license than it does a CCW, more practice, more training, more classroom time. I would prefer those who obtain a CCW to have gone through a training class that includes a day at the range to build skills, not the here's-ten-rounds,-hit-the-target-and-you-are-good or those classes that don't even require any range time, like the one my admin assistant recently took. I would also like to see a yearly range refresher to maintain the CCW.
To keep my CCW, I must qualify every 3 months, attend monthly firearms training and prove continuous proficiency. Additionally, as a firearms instructor, if one of the officers I work with were to be in a bad shoot on or off duty, I have the potential to be sued as well.
This is just my opinion, my $.02. You can disagree with me all day, but it is still my opinion.
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He was elected because he gave the German people what they were craving, pride in their identity, pride in their heritage after being defeated in WW I and having to deal with the very oppressive and demeaning demands of the victors (I spent a few years living in Germany, got the information second hand by people there first hand). So by speech, he did give a good speech, but it was the content of the speech, followed by the actions of the supporters that got him elected.
Nah, not as good looking as Tom Cruise, taller too. You watch too much tv. And frankly, yes, I have run across some who have a shall-issue CCW that shouldn't have one. Plain as day, nut-case. And we aren't talking about ownership of a gun, we are talking about the concealed carrying of a gun. Who am I to say? Just the damn cop who has to deal with this person on whatever call it happens to be on. Don't kid yourself about the background check, it isn't perfect and most Sheriff's don't do an annual check to see if you've screwed up to yank it; it predominately comes down to re-licensing or a call from another LEO advising of charges to get it reviewed.Just because you think someone is a "nut" doesn't mean they shouldn't have a gun. If they are passing the background checks they are obviously not nuts and are not criminals. Making people shoot once a year to keep their CCW is pure lunacy, I can't afford to pay the fees to do that every year. And who are you to say that somebody hasn't done a crime yet? Who are you, Tom Cruise in Minority Report? Pre-crime division?
You believe an annual refresher is pure lunacy. Your opinion. We differ. If you are an idiot driver, I can request DMV have you go through a review and another driver's certification to keep your license; can't do that with a CCW. Shall issue unless you got something concrete on the criminal history. So...you get charged with a felony, plead it down to a misdemeanor and do your community service, pay your court costs and get your CCW. Still a criminal, still get your CCW. Should someone arrested for 3, 4, 9 DUI's have a license or a CCW? Actions show poor decision making.
Most of the time you have good, well thought out arguments to people's opinions. This one about the items on your desk...not so much. Stick to the topic of what you challenged me on and that was my comment that it is easier to get a CCW in this state than it is to get a driver's license.I'm looking around my computer desk and I can see no less than 10 things that I could easily kill somebody with. You want to make me get a license to carry these scissors too?
It's much easier to kill a group of people with negligence with a car than it is from negligence with a pistol. There is no question that cars are more dangerous.
Also, if you aren't in prison, you should have full rights restored to you, no matter what you've done. If you can't be trusted in society with full rights, then you shouldn't have been let out in the first place.
My only concession on this is if you were sentenced to 7 years, have had good behavior, you can make a deal to voluntarily surrender some of your rights in exchange for getting out early. However, once that 7 years is completed, you get all your rights back.
This really isn't worth discussing though, as you'd have to tear down and completely rebuild the court and criminal system in order to accomplish it right?
"There are no finger prints under water."
I just talked to George. Hes a great guy and is happy to help anyone get his CHP.
Hey OneGuy67
If this wasn't a virtual conversation, I would buy you a beer. I think I would like you.
Ha ha! Thanks! Anytime!
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Make that two beers. We'll call a cab.
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