Lesner vs Carwin

[Irving]

There's more than one form of eye gouging?

You can eye gouge, but only with your chin. You can't use your fingers or elbow or anything. This guy has his opponent in his guard and smashes his chin into his eye for like 2 minutes (broken up into a few segments at a time).


Bear, I've seen many times where someone will miss a kick and be spinning around or something and wonder why the other guy didn't pound on him. I've also seen people move in on an opportunity like that and get nailed with a spinning back fist or something. These guys aren't fighting some random purse snatcher or something. They know better than to jump in at what looks like an open opportunity because they respect (or fear) the skills of the other fighter.

Not to mention that they have to fight within the rules as well. Soccer would be a whole different game if you could just kick your opponents in the nuts to get them off the field. I'd like to see headbutts and stomps brought back to UFC myself.

[cowboykjohnson]

Soccer would be a whole different game if you could just kick your opponents in the nuts to get them off the field. I'd like to see headbutts and stomps brought back to UFC myself.

I might actually watch both then.

[iamhunter]

hmmm... Isn't that the point though - Who is the best, period? I guess I'm just not into it.

Some of the more legitmate "combat artists" in the sport actually train and know alot of krav maga/fight ending techniques, they just don't use them in the ring.

check out bas rutten's "bar fight" video sometime. It's A) Hilarious and B) provides some good inside into how brutal this guy could really be.

Also, alot of the "missed" opportunities are not missed at all, but given up out of caution and respect for the fighter.

I assume you're pretty decent at martial arts Bear, you've mentioned it before.

But what if you were facing someone equally, or BETTER than you in combat?

Those openings probably wouldn't be so appetizing.

although I do agree that there are many flaws in alot of fighter's games,

That's because most of them are FIGHTERS and not STRATEGISTS.

When you have someone who is both, you end up with people like Fedor Emelianenko or Anderson Silva. Un-friggin-stoppable.

[BigBear]

Bear...They know better than to jump in at what looks like an open opportunity because they respect (or fear) the skills of the other fighter.

Rgr, and I understand the respect amongst warroirs, especially the first few minutes of feints to guage the other parties technique/skill/reflex/etc. Good discussion with you Irving. The points that would fustrate me were not the missed opportunites while standing (as you mentioned great points for NOT rushing in -with which I totally agree) but the opportunites on the ground. For instance - a fighter is locked in an arm bar. There are several twists that he/she may do that will allow him/her to break or dislocate either the supporting arm or the submitting leg hold over that will effectively break teh arm arm... But I do understand that this would be a violation of the rules and harmful to the fighters. I sometimes think that the rules lead to bad progress that can cause a fighter (who could win easily) to lose. Hope that makes sense. In any case, good discussion.

Also, alot of the "missed" opportunities are not missed at all, but given up out of caution and respect for the fighter. Rgr that, I understand that.

I assume you're pretty decent at martial arts Bear, you've mentioned it before. Used to be, though I didn't brag or compete, I had the respect of several well known individuals in the area and throughout several States. But O haven't done it in a few years and since the car wreck have turned into a fat ass with no motivation or pain tolerance....

But what if you were facing someone equally, or BETTER than you in combat? ummm... gun? lol, I kid. Good point. There will always be someone bigger/stronger/faster/etc. To me, that is what the training is for. To eploit those "advantages" and then destroy them.

although I do agree that there are many flaws in alot of fighter's games,

That's because most of them are FIGHTERS and not STRATEGISTS.

When you have someone who is both... Un-friggin-stoppable. Amen and Rgr that.

Good stuff.

[StagLefty]

I don't understand putting on underwear and getting paid (great money sometimes)

So you don't respect me any more ?

[BigBear]

So you don't respect me any more ?

That was YOU?!?!?! Well.....





hehe

[banks74]

Carwin!!!

[Irving]

Also, not everyone is well trained in BJJ. The fighters now are a LOT more well rounded than they used to be back in the days of Cabbage and stuff, but still everyone has different backgrounds. It's easy to armchair quarterback a fight about all the possible things they could have done. That frustration is all part of the game.

[sniper7]

lesner for sure. I'll be watching it at my sisters, they get every fight

[Irving]

Sniper do you WANT Lesnar to win, or just think that he'll win?

I'd like to see someone beat him, but I still think there is a strong chance he'll win.