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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBear View Post
    Lots of confusion in your post my friend... but irregardless of that: Show me just one thing in the Bible that is disproven or refutes itself by ANYTHING in this world and I'll eat my hat.
    I don't know if those are his "feelings" about it, but it is funny to see how the numb-nuts on the other side may view anyone with a spine or morals... The biggest contrast between the two write-ups is that the liberal view is pushed to the furthest extremes of what may be considered right wing, while the conservative view seems based more or less on the facts available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by two shoes View Post
    The biggest contrast between the two write-ups is that the liberal view is pushed to the furthest extremes of what may be considered right wing, while the conservative view seems based more or less on the facts available.
    So you don't think that the scared of war, scared of guns, un-Christian and un-patriotic country depicted in the original piece is a stereotype then? You really think that ALL cops and ALL soldiers share your political affiliation?

    The biggest contrast between the two pieces is that the first one was a work of humor, the second one was an apparently serious reply.

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    I think the best thing for the conservative movement would be to separate it from religion completely. Most of the stuff covered by religious beliefs is stuff that the government shouldn't be involved in at all in the first place.

    Bear, there is considerable confusion about the events of Easter. Namely that no one can really make a chronological time line that everyone agrees with, using the information in the New Testament. However, that is off topic since you missed the point that the guy was just posting that response because it existed, not because that is the way he feels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by two shoes View Post
    May I join you, in the dinning experience of your hat, if in fact, proof is provided?
    You may, I will say when I am wrong, but I don't think I'm wrong on the infallible truth of the Bible. Now that is very subjective since there are numerous versions of the bible and different translations: I.E. One of the most agregious confusions is the 6th commandmant. It often gets wrongly translated from the archiac Hebrew as "Thou shalt not kill" when it literally reads "Thou shalt not MURDER". There is a big difference between kill and murder. Anyways...

    Quote Originally Posted by jake View Post
    The biggest contrast between the two pieces is that the first one was a work of humor, the second one was an apparently serious reply.
    Big AMEN on that response.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart View Post
    I think the best thing for the conservative movement would be to separate it from religion completely. Most of the stuff covered by religious beliefs is stuff that the government shouldn't be involved in at all in the first place.

    Bear, there is considerable confusion about the events of Easter. Namely that no one can really make a chronological time line that everyone agrees with, using the information in the New Testament. However, that is off topic since you missed the point that the guy was just posting that response because it existed, not because that is the way he feels.
    First paragragh: A-friggin-men. Institutional religion has done more to contribute to the worlds problems than any thing I can think of... Conservatism has nothing to do with religion and vice versa.

    Second paragraph: I understand your point about Easter and I'll include some stuff below but I don't think the timeline was written down as it was irrelevant to what teh passage is trying to correlate. I still say that science and math have done nothing but to PROVE that events in the Bible did happen. ANd I apologize for jumping on, I thought with him posting that, it was what he believed. My apologies.

    Taken from: GotQuestions.org

    Easter: The four Gospels make it clear that Jesus was crucified in conjunction with the Jewish Passover (Matthew 26:17-19; Mark 14:12-16; Luke 22:7-15; John 18:28,39; 19:14). The four Gospels also make it clear that Jesus was raised from the dead three days later, on the first day of the week (Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1,19). Biblically speaking, then, Christ’s resurrection should be celebrated on the first Sunday after the Jewish Passover meal. However, this is not the case. Easter is celebrated on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox (March 21 in 2008, the first day of spring). This method of determining the date of Easter often results in Easter being before Passover and/or displaced far from Passover. Easter can potentially be observed anywhere between March 22 and April 25.

    In church history, there was a significant amount of debate that went into determining when Easter would be observed. As a background, please read our article on the origins of Easter. Dating Easter in conjunction with the vernal equinox and full moon had nothing to do with the biblical account of Christ’s resurrection or the Passover. It was pagan practices, such as the spring fertility goddess rituals that the Catholic Church “absorbed” and attempted to Christianize, that resulted in Easter's being linked to the vernal equinox and the full moon. The only thing that is biblical regarding when Easter is now observed is the fact that Easter is always on a Sunday.

    The Bible does not instruct Christians to set aside a day to celebrate Christ’s resurrection. At the same time, the resurrection is most assuredly worth celebrating (1 Corinthians chapter 15). Celebration of Christ’s resurrection, then, is a matter of Christian freedom. Christians are free to celebrate the day of Christ’s resurrection and are free to refrain from celebrating. Since it is a matter of Christian freedom and not a biblical command, it would seem that there is also freedom as to precisely when the celebration of Christ’s resurrection is observed. Just as with Christmas, the exact date is not important. It is the fact that Christ was resurrected that is important. Christians are free to follow the traditional dating system for Easter, thereby observing Easter on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox. At the same time, the lack of conjunction with Passover and the questionable (at best) motives for the method of scheduling Easter make it highly doubtful that Christ’s resurrection is being celebrated according to the biblical calendar.

    Origins: The origins of Easter are rooted in European traditions. The name Easter comes from a pagan figure called Eastre (or Eostre) who was celebrated as the goddess of spring by the Saxons of Northern Europe. A festival called Eastre was held during the spring equinox by these people to honor her. The goddess Eastre’s earthly symbol was the rabbit, which was also known as a symbol of fertility. Originally, there were some very pagan (and sometimes utterly evil) practices that went along with the celebration. Today, Easter is almost a completely commercialized holiday, with all the focus on Easter eggs and the Easter bunny being remnants of the goddess worship.

    In the Christian faith, Easter has come to mean the celebration of the resurrection of Christ three days after His crucifixion. It is the oldest Christian holiday and the most important day of the church year because of the significance of the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the events upon which Christianity is based. Easter Sunday is preceded by the season of Lent, a 40-day period of fasting and repentance culminating in Holy Week and followed by a 50-day Easter season that stretches from Easter to Pentecost.

    Because of the commercialization and pagan origins of Easter, many churches prefer to refer to it as “Resurrection Sunday.” The rationale is the more we focus on Christ and the less we focus on the pagan holiday, the better. As previously mentioned, the resurrection of Christ is the central theme of Christianity. Paul says that without this, our faith is futile (1 Corinthians 15:17). What more wonderful reason could we have to celebrate! What is important is the true reason behind our celebration, which is that Christ was resurrected from the dead, making it possible for us to have eternal life (Romans 6:4)!

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