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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBear View Post
    I'm also looking on another forum (computer specific) so I've got some ideas from them as well.

    The problem is that I keep running into "fanboys" whether on the Intel or AMD side and no one will just answer my questions without bringing other points into the equation I that I don't care about, lol.

    I.E: Me - Will the AMD 955 x4 Phenom II suffice for my needs?
    Them - Well, if you get the i7 860 you can overclock and....
    Me - I'm not asking about i7. My interest is the AMD, it is cheaper.
    Them - Well, if you WANT an inferior product....
    955 will be just fine.
    Is it 'inferior'? Yeah, in some ways. But is it more than sufficient? Yes. We could go over all the pros / cons, but for your needs the 955 will be just fine.

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    IMO I definitely would not say a 955 is "inferior", it is third in line to the top amd Chip, 955 is more than fine, they have not even started writing programs taking advantage of Quad core to its full extent, save your money and go with AMD, if really want spend $300 for a 6 core 1090T black edition, you wont get a 6 core for less than a grand from Intel. Best bet is to educate yourself on the parts you will need and see which ones will get you what you need the cheapest, here is a nice article on the new 6 core from AMD, and you can read alot of reviews on the other parts you will need.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ling,2652.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBear View Post
    How do I figure out how big of a PSU I need?

    Thinking of running:

    AMD 955 chip
    890x mobo
    ATI 5870 video

    would 500w be enough or do I need 750? So confusing.
    Getting back to the original post.
    the setup you have and suggest will only require a 750w PSU at most.
    this will even allow for expansion such as SLI cards, a spare HDD etc.

    for gaming purposes I cannot express the importance of Memory in both fashions.
    you are getting Win7 64b I recommend a MINIMUM 4GB
    Its cheap right now, so its not that much.

    Swap, very touchy subject for some.
    You didnt list your HDD so I am going to guess that its a Run of the mill typical 7200rpm 500 GB.
    with the price free-fall on HDDs right now... you might consider a stripe
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID

    If you play MMOs with PvP or high resolution games as I think you do, you may want faster read/writes. This can be achieved by either SSD, SCSI or RAID.
    Quote Originally Posted by NEWEGG SPECS
    Storage Devices PATA 1 x ATA133 2 Dev. Max SATA 3Gb/s 2 SATA 6Gb/s 6 x SATA 6Gb/s SATA RAID SATA 6Gb/s: RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID5, RAID 10 and JBOD
    SATA 3Gb/s: RAID 0, RAID 1, and JBOD
    It will definitely support a small array with no difficulty and will actually make better use of those kick-ass channels. all you would need to do is order 2 500GB HDDs. Just something to consider
    Thing is, with Win7 its SUPER cake to set up. Seriously, you just switch CDs or use a thumbdrive or a second CD drive for the drivers.
    It's so easy, a caveman can do it.


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    What are your specific need?

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    I’ve been doing a lot of reading at Tom’s Hardware site. It is very informative and often breaks things down into a concise and comprehensive manner unto which I greatly appreciate, as I am neither mechanically nor technologically inclined soul.

    I’ve also come to the opinion that today’s’ onboard sounds is decent enough to negate the use of a soundcard so I’ve been able to shave a few hundred off the price there. Mutt did say this a while back, but I had to do my own research and verify for myself to agree.

    So, posted below is what I’m currently looking at. A simple (read = CheapER) gaming rig to play mainly FPS’s with all the eye candy turned up, music writing/editing, photo editing, and common day to day nuances such as checking mail, writing papers, etc. Will this meet and/or exceed my needs without the need to upgrade in a year or two? A simple yay or nay will suffice.

    Chassis Model: Cooler Master Elite 310
    Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 955 (3.2GHz) OC’ed between 3.5-3.9
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-890XA-UD3
    System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz
    Power Supply: 750W
    Hard Drive Set 1: 500GB Western Digital
    Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW
    Video Card: ATI Radeon HD 5970 2GB
    Sound Card: Onboard Audio
    Boost Cooling: High Performance Cooler
    Boost Airflow: Zalman Performance Fans
    Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)

    Total costs about $1800

    I know the RAM may be overkill, but I was under the impression of “the more, the merrier”. The overclocking may be a waste, but I don’t know. Thoughts? If I got rid of it I could save on the removing the fans, etc…

    The next problem is figuring out which monitor to buy… I’ve read of ghosting issues with some, lack of response with others, etc.

    Here is what I think the common gamer recommends:
    - 2-5ms response time
    - High contrast ratio
    - Between 22 to 24 inch widescreen preferred (don’t know why though)

    Thoughts, opinions? Acer has a pretty cheap 22 inch I found that meets all those specs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byte Stryke View Post

    You didnt list your HDD so I am going to guess that its a Run of the mill typical 7200rpm 500 GB. RGR, just a basic HD. Don't need any of that fancy stuff like SSD's etc. Remember that I'm trying to keep the cost down. I don't mind an extra second to wait to let the computer boot up.


    It's so easy, a caveman can do it. How'd you get a pic of me?! lol.

    As far as running two HD's and RAID and all that stuff... I'm honestly fine with a single HDD that I back up onto an external every week or so....

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    So, posted below is what I’m currently looking at. A simple (read = CheapER) gaming rig to play mainly FPS’s with all the eye candy turned up, music writing/editing, photo editing, and common day to day nuances such as checking mail, writing papers, etc. Will this meet and/or exceed my needs without the need to upgrade in a year or two? A simple yay or nay will suffice.
    Everything except the FPS part can be done on a 400MHz 256MB ram used GoodWill special.

    Chassis Model: Cooler Master Elite 310
    Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 955 (3.2GHz) OC’ed between 3.5-3.9
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-890XA-UD3
    System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz
    Power Supply: 750W
    Get a 1000 Watt, as ratings are more a marketing item than fact.
    Hard Drive Set 1: 500GB Western Digital
    Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW
    Get the 2G WD drive, as it typically rates as the fastest non-SSD out there. Also, music files aren't small. Get a BlueRay instead of the plain DVD, as it does both BluRay and DVDs.
    Video Card: ATI Radeon HD 5970 2GB
    Sound Card: Onboard Audio
    Boost Cooling: High Performance Cooler
    Boost Airflow: Zalman Performance Fans
    Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)

    Total costs about $1800

    I know the RAM may be overkill, but I was under the impression of “the more, the merrier”. The overclocking may be a waste, but I don’t know. Thoughts? If I got rid of it I could save on the removing the fans, etc…
    the OC is indeed a waste, as nothing you are doing is CPU intensive (except maybe some audio/video encoding). You need throughput, and the ram + that video card is just the ticket.

    The next problem is figuring out which monitor to buy… I’ve read of ghosting issues with some, lack of response with others, etc.

    Here is what I think the common gamer recommends:
    2-5ms response time
    High contrast ratio
    Between 22 to 24 inch widescreen preferred (don’t know why though)

    Thoughts, opinions? Acer has a pretty cheap 22 inch I found that meets all those specs.
    http://h71016.www7.hp.com/html/hprem...ing/price-list

    24" 1920x1200 monitor for less than $300. Note that the HP Business stuff is NOT a lesser resolution 1920x1080 monitor. I've got 3 of the HP or Compaq 24xx series monitors and they just work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBear View Post
    Will the AMD 955 x4 Phenom II suffice for my needs
    The machine I'm typing this on is a 955x4 Phenom II, it'll do fine. I have an 8800GTX on an ASUS motherboard, 750W PSU. 1 SSD 1 laptop drive 1 10krpm 74gb drive. All my real storage is on a Drobo in the rack, local disks are just fast and small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBear View Post
    Chassis Model: Cooler Master Elite 310 -- $40
    Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 955 (3.2GHz) (don't OC) -- $160
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-890XA-UD3 -- $120
    System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz -- $250 (mushkin 2x4)
    Power Supply: 750W -- $100
    Hard Drive Set 1: 500GB Western Digital -- $70
    Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW -- Bluray DVDRW $170
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-046-_-Product - $80
    Win 7 64bit - $100
    You're at $1100 for the parts above on Newegg.. the big missing bit is the video card. $700 for a video card is too much. So is $500. You can get something in the sub $300 range that will kick butt for two years. And in two years the fans on it will have died anyway, and it'll be time to replace it. That's $400+ that you really don't have to spend on it. You'll get a better perceived performance increase going with a SSD drive to install Windows on, and keeping all your data (music, etc) installed on the 500gb drive.

    The price/performance curve tapers off pretty swiftly. That extra $400 might buy you only a few % increase. My 0.02, save the cash and plan on replacing it every 18 months or so.

    H.

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    I configured a system as you specified plus I upgraded to the 6 core AMD Phenom 1055 for $1737

    http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/A..._Configurator/

    You'll have to re-configure it, as the link doesn't retain your choices.

    (FYI - I prefer the lintel processors)
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