Save this old man and your rights at the same time.

[mitch]

Is there any other kind of liberal?

Jeffersonian Liberal.

You'd be hard pressed to find a more liberal group than Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, and Washington. They were the radical left of the time with their "all men are equal" and "men can rule themselves without a monarch" nonsense

[Jumpstart]

Jeffersonian Liberal.

You'd be hard pressed to find a more liberal group than Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, and Washington. They were the radical left of the time with their "all men are equal" and "men can rule themselves without a monarch" nonsense

Now these men would be considered conservatives. They would probably throw tea parties, if you know what I mean.....

[mitch]

Now these men would be considered conservatives. They would probably throw tea parties, if you know what I mean.....

Hmm. Not sure I agree. These days they would be considered "turrists" since they either financed, led, or rallied a group to take up arms, in a non-traditional fashion, against their established government.

I believe we are at a unique point in the history of government, in that some of us consider a giant ( 100+ year) leap backwards in governance as being progress. Is wiping the books and starting over conservative or progressive?

Liberal President....Republican Senator....Democratic Congressman...Conservative Representative....it makes no difference. They are all politicians, and they are all scumbags of the highest order. Vote them all out of office, as they are all part of the problem either by activity or apathy.

[HBARleatherneck]

Liberal President....Republican Senator....Democratic Congressman...Conservative Representative....it makes no difference. They are all politicians, and they are all scumbags of the highest order. Vote them all out of office, as they are all part of the problem either by activity or apathy.

this is exactly right. democrat=republican=politician. they are all bad.545 people who need to be booted from the federal government. right now. and plenty more state and locally.

[jim02]

[quote=mitch;219805]I believe we are at a unique point in the history of government, in that some of us consider a giant ( 100+ year) leap backwards in governance as being progress. Is wiping the books and starting over conservative or progressive?[quote]

Whats your position?

I would rather take a 200 year leap back in governance if that means taking much of the power away from the goverment that they have accumulated up to now.
I wont accept the current path we are on, taking the leap back 300 years and ending up with a monarchy or the path of evil and having a socialist rule.

[jim02]

this is exactly right. democrat=republican=politician. they are all bad.545 people who need to be booted from the federal government. right now. and plenty more state and locally.

Right on, time to stock up on rope and timber, at least 545 people need to swing.

[SA Friday]

Jeffersonian Liberal.

You'd be hard pressed to find a more liberal group than Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, and Washington. They were the radical left of the time with their "all men are equal" and "men can rule themselves without a monarch" nonsense

Jefferson founded the Republican party and firmly believed in a weak central government, small or no federal debt, and states rights dominated federals rules.

Adams and Washington were from the Federalists party and believed in a strong federal government maintaining the states in a united country. The main driving force in the Federalist party was Andrew Hamilton, Sec of Treasury in Washington's administration.

Franklin never chose either of the parties. He was too busy partying and having lots of extra-marital sex in France at the time.

None of them could agree on the first quote, and they only agreed on the part 'without a monarchy" in the second quote.

[palepainter]

I think Franklin had it right.

[StagLefty]

I think we've gone so far over the edge that neither party is worth a crap anymore. They are so far out of touch with what we face day to day that they scratch their heads when confronted with our problems.

[OneGuy67]

What Peter Boyles originally argued and some have made mention here is why the two thieves haven't been prosecuted yet for the theft. What he and others (including myself) may not know is, are these two part of a greater and more wide-reaching investigation that upon its completion, charges against the two thieves and others will result? Maybe they are cooperating witnesses to that greater investigation, to further that investigation. Not out of the question or norm by any stretch of the imagination.

Peter didn't think the investigation should continue for the time it has, but I do know from personal experience that investigations can take months and years before indictments are brought to bear.

Mr. Wallace was not in imminent threat of injury by what was sworn to in the arrest affidavit and instead, was standing on a porch and fired two rounds indescriminately in the direction of the two thieves. What would people think and post if those rounds didn't hit the truck and the thief, but instead, a sleeping juvenile in bed across the street?

Please get the facts (and not just from television news reports) before making snap judgments.