Save this old man and your rights at the same time.

[Byte Stryke]

I Still find it incredible that the legislative branch of our state and of this country has failed to allow our citizens to protect themselves from rape, theft and murder by illegal immigrants and other assorted OUTLAWS.

The man sitting in his home that has worked hard and Honestly all of his life for the things he has should have every right to protect their Home and Property.

still pisses me off.

[Birddog1911]

It'd be a shame if the two illegals just disappeared, ya' know. Just saying.

[SA Friday]

People deserve a trial. It isn't American for any person to be the judge-jury-executioner all in one package if their is no risk to life at the given moment.

Fact is, he'd have no idea if they were illegal or legal when he fired at them as they drove away.

Note: I didn't read the news story. I don't have to be. I don't agree with Texas' law and we don't need one here. Loss of property or money does not in itself equate with the legal or moral authority to end someones life. That concept can earn the shooting community in general a bad reputation.

Just remember - if nobodies life is in danger, you better not be pulling the trigger. That's why they invented insurance after all.

A bullet doesn't have the ability to make a great determination of guilt or innocence after it leaves the barrel either, and people are not thinking or aiming soundly in the heat of the moment.

As for prosecution of him? Thats not for me to decide. I'd say yes, he should be, with a degree of leniency. Definetly top level prosecution for the illegals. But I don't know the case.

The results of critical thinking. Best post of the thread, and I couldn't agree more.

[Seamonkey]

So I'm wondering... if CO had the same immigration law that AZ has... could "we the people" sue the cops for not holding/deporting the illegals?

[Irving]

Whether someone is illegal or not should have zero bearing on whether you should be shooting at them or not.

[ChunkyMonkey]

@foxtrot, the OP and many of us are questioning why the thieves were not prosecuted in the first 4-5 months, while there home owner was charged with first degree murder within a week.

I'd ignore the dumb posts.

[jim02]

People deserve a trial. It isn't American for any person to be the judge-jury-executioner all in one package if their is no risk to life at the given moment.

Fact is, he'd have no idea if they were illegal or legal when he fired at them as they drove away.

Note: I didn't read the news story. I don't have to be. I don't agree with Texas' law and we don't need one here. Loss of property or money does not in itself equate with the legal or moral authority to end someones life. That concept can earn the shooting community in general a bad reputation.

Just remember - if nobodies life is in danger, you better not be pulling the trigger. That's why they invented insurance after all.

A bullet doesn't have the ability to make a great determination of guilt or innocence after it leaves the barrel either, and people are not thinking or aiming soundly in the heat of the moment.

As for prosecution of him? Thats not for me to decide. I'd say yes, he should be, with a degree of leniency. Definetly top level prosecution for the illegals. But I don't know the case.

The issue at hand is why were the thieves not charge when this happened months ago?

Why did at least one of the thieves get a plea deal from grand theft to agriculture trespassing which is a common plea arrangement given to illegals in the front range so that ICE will not be notified and the illegal can avoid deportation, when he was arrested last time?

Since at least one of these illegals was given a plea to avoid deportation by law enforcement in an earlier prosecution then the fact remains that this man would not have been here to commit the crime that caused Mr.Wallace to defend (himself or his property, the court will decided which he was doing) then why should he be charged and facing a felony when this is the falut of law enforcement?

[palepainter]

Exactly..... Try the plea bargaining in Iran or elsewhere.

[OneGuy67]

Wow! I've been a little busy this weekend and unable to get back to this thread and I've been tarred and feathered by some here. I've been accused of being the DA involved in this case and apparently, an idiot. Thanks people! I appreciate it. I'll endeavor to review these strings next time while I'm on my National Guard drill weekend, so I'll know when people are calling me names and accusing me of being something that I am not.

I am relatively new to this site and have an interest in guns, which is why I am on this site. The politics aside, it is a great site for people to gather that share an interest in firearms.

That being said, I really don't appreciate the attacks on me. I am capable of reading and I have read the damn arrest affidavit regarding Mr. Wallace and no where on there does Mr. Wallace tell the cops investigating that he went outside and was nearly run over, which is why he allegedly shot. In fact, it appears he stood on his porch and fired a couple of shots at them as they were fleeing. If that is the case, he needs to be charged. The affidavit is a down and dirty version of events and I would love to read the entire case report on it and to see what information was obtained in a subsequent interview with Mr. Wallace or if he wrote out a statement.

Additionally, I am a cop and have done a number of these types of investigations in my nearly 20 years a cop and some of them (investigations) take time. Some of them, as it appears in this case, took a back seat to other, more serious investigations than a simple theft of a trailer. A trailer valued at $2,000 is a felony, but just a simple felony theft. That's it. If these two mopes were involved in an auto theft ring as alleged, then those charges are more serious and have far more serious penalties than a simple felony theft of an item valued at $2,000. It appears that when the detectives in the auto theft task force didn't have anything good on these guys, the warrants prepared by Wheat Ridge PD for their arrest on the simple theft were signed and they were scooped up.

As to the agricultural trespass conviction, I can' speak to that. I don't know why it was used or the circumstances that brought it about. To blanket say it was because the suspect was illegal and the DA didn't want him deported is pretty generic and inflamatory, which is what some want. To fan the flames. How many others have been offered a ag trespass plea bargain that weren't illegal? Was that a norm plea bargain offer for specific felony charges, no matter the gender, ethnicity or immigration status of the suspect? I don't know and I'm betting you don't either.

For me, I would prefer to deport all illegals that were contacted by law enforcement. I've run into a lot of them over the years, especially while on patrol and conducting traffic enforcement. An inability to understand English, not having a driver's license issued in Colorado, providing a matricular consular ID or a mexican driver's license (most were fraudulent and poorly at that), the vehicle belongs to "someone else" and the insurance card was good for only 30 days in order to get the plates were general clues to me that the person may not be a born or naturalized citizen of the US. The feds wouldn't come get them, so that left me with writing a ticket and impounding the vehicle if I could prove the insurance was fraudulent. Now, most do not realize that Kansas and Washington states have gone to issuing driver's licenses and I saw a number of those during these contacts. Not hard to turn in your Kansas DL and get a Colorado DL.

So, there it is. Feel free to vilify me some more.

[OneGuy67]

People deserve a trial. It isn't American for any person to be the judge-jury-executioner all in one package if their is no risk to life at the given moment.

Fact is, he'd have no idea if they were illegal or legal when he fired at them as they drove away.

Note: I didn't read the news story. I don't have to be. I don't agree with Texas' law and we don't need one here. Loss of property or money does not in itself equate with the legal or moral authority to end someones life. That concept can earn the shooting community in general a bad reputation.

Just remember - if nobodies life is in danger, you better not be pulling the trigger. That's why they invented insurance after all.

A bullet doesn't have the ability to make a great determination of guilt or innocence after it leaves the barrel either, and people are not thinking or aiming soundly in the heat of the moment.

As for prosecution of him? Thats not for me to decide. I'd say yes, he should be, with a degree of leniency. Definetly top level prosecution for the illegals. But I don't know the case.

Thanks Foxtrot...Very rational.