More spreading the wealth around

[HBARleatherneck]

This is about small town America. How cost effective is it for the phone companies to run phones to (pick mountain or plains town with small population)? so, back in the day, they decided every town should get it. Remember this isnt the only socialized deal around. How about your police and fire? Schools are socialized. not just medicine and telephones.

I dont use schools or police. I live out in the country. by the time the cops got here, we or the criminals would be dead. If I am dead, I dont need a report thank you. And by the time the fire department gets here our house will be gone. So socialized services abound.

Any of you guys use the library or parks? yeah socialism too.

[Hoosier]

I dont use schools or police. I live out in the country. by the time the cops got here, we or the criminals would be dead. If I am dead, I dont need a report thank you. And by the time the fire department gets here our house will be gone. So socialized services abound.

It's socialism whether you use it or not. And don't forget the roads you drive on to reach the boundary of your property, the right-of-way easements that allow the regulated power company to bring power to you. Would you have grid electric without some sort of universal service requirement for that regulated utility?

Yes, people, some forms of collective effort are worth it. Were it not the case, it wouldn't have been done since recorded time. Anytime someone argues that the issue is black and white and that any amount of socialism is bad, you should assume that person is promoting wrongly the idea that it's a Either/Or choice: a false dichotomy (thank you spell checker)

<joke>Winston Churchill asked a woman if she would have sex with him for a million dollars. She said yes, certainly. So he asked if she would have sex with him for $5. She was offended, and said, "What kind of woman do you think I am?" Churchill replied, "My lady, we've already established that. Now we are just haggling on the price."</joke>

So the question is; at what level of spending does it go from being a beneficial and just service provided by a government of the people, to being tyranny? Well it moves in increments and the forces pushing it aren't always as transparent as they should be.

H.

[HBARleatherneck]

this is what I am talking about Hoosier. nobody wants socialism, but they want... roads, law enforcement, fire, military, govt services, parks,etc, etc. etc. the list is endless. but, everyone now is against health care. if you get away from the rhetoric and tough guy stuff, Is it wrong to help people to be healthy and live well and or longer? dont people morally deserve to be healthy. yes, they do. should people pay for someone else? thats where we find ourselves as a nation. I see healthcare as much more important to me than, road, police, fire, schools. health is the basis of you life. nothing else matters.

oh and sorry to go off on the ops thread.