VA Marajuana

[Hoosier]

Much to my surprise, I met someone here in Colorado who has both CCW and MMJ cards. So apparently the state doesn't have a problem with it.

They have THC in pill form. It's the same as EVERY other thing when it comes to dealing with firearms: be smart. If your dosage is very low controlled thing and after you've been on it a few weeks you should be able to judge your ability. Same would be said with Vicoden or Percocet or all the other drugs.

As for whether it's safe or not, well, I would trust something from a plant more than I would trust some chemical brewed up by man.

Sorry to hear you're dealing with chronic pain, I've seen relatives there before.

H.

[275RLTW]

I've discussed this before after talking with BATFE and CBI. They are in the process of creating a list of MM card holders. If you posess a medical marijuana card, you are according to federal regs, an unlawful user (regardless of what CO law says) and cannot purchase a firearm without commiting perjury. The county SO's I've worked with have all agreed that "unlawful user" as described on the CHP application refers to the federal definintion. The posession of a MM card and carrying a firearm mirror the guidelines of alcohol and the officer's interpretation of "under the influence." It would be up to the Sheriff of each county to decide if they allow MM card and CCW at the same time. Counties like Weld that do not allow MM dispensaries will probally be more strict in this than others. If you are under the influence and in posesssion= go to jail. MM card and carrying a firearm (with a permit)= up to Sheriff. Having a medical marijuana card can prohibit you from getting your concealed permit unless you fradulently answer no to question #8.

[BigBear]

I've discussed this before after talking with BATFE and CBI. They are in the process of creating a list of MM card holders. If you posess a medical marijuana card, you are according to federal regs, an unlawful user (regardless of what CO law says) and cannot purchase a firearm without commiting perjury. The county SO's I've worked with have all agreed that "unlawful user" as described on the CHP application refers to the federal definintion. The posession of a MM card and carrying a firearm mirror the guidelines of alcohol and the officer's interpretation of "under the influence." It would be up to the Sheriff of each county to decide if they allow MM card and CCW at the same time. Counties like Weld that do not allow MM dispensaries will probally be more strict in this than others. If you are under the influence and in posesssion= go to jail. MM card and carrying a firearm (with a permit)= up to Sheriff. Having a medical marijuana card can prohibit you from getting your concealed permit unless you fradulently answer no to question #8.

Rgr, I remember that discussion. I believe we had a thread on it somewhere.

[DeusExMachina]

Some issues arise when people think of having a MMJ card as freedom to smoke whenever. I listen to a radio show that has a lawyer come in and give advice once a week, and you wouldn't believe how many people call in pissed off that they got a DUI while high. "But I have a medical MJ card!!!" Morons.

That being said, its no different than if you were drinking and carrying...I don't think you'd have any issue having a CCW permit and a MMJ license, as long as you're not doing one while doing the other.

Just as you can't drink while carrying, if you don't smoke while carrying you shouldn't have an issue.

I also noticed that when doing a firearms background check, you could also make an argument that you are not an unlawful marijuana user (as stated on the form).

Disclaimer: I don't do drugs but advocate the regulation and taxation of MJ.

Edit: I didn't read before replying, so that's interesting that it is considered unlawful. Oh well. Get drunk instead!

[CrufflerSteve]

I'm not going to criticize anybody for using MM. I have a chronic illness with a lot of pain and its fairly stabilized with a devil's brew of man made meds that will kill me sooner or later. (As part of the side-effects, I've gained & lost 150 pounds.) If I though MM would help I'd do it. One thing I have discovered during chronic pain episodes is that the pain messes me up so much it is like being wasted and when I take pain meds its like getting closer to normal. When I'm not in too much pain, pain meds make me goofy.

The main thing is the legal. MM is state and the feds don't like and the fed laws are on the books. There are those check boxes when buying a gun. Read them. The Douglas County Concealed Handgun Permit asks this also. Be careful.

Steve

[DeusExMachina]

A friend of mine who is a MMJ user said that the CO MMJ law specifies that only patients and the state have access to the card holder records.

So, your guess is as good as mine to which is true.

[brokenscout]

There are alot of good points and alot of grey area's. I wouldn't walk around shooting a gun and smoking ajoint. I see non"drug" users going shooting all the time using legal alchohol

[opie011]

The only thing I see wrong with a CCW and a MM card is that if you ever had to draw down on someone regardless if you were " high" or not, it wouldn't look good in court with a MM card.

[Ah Pook]

Also I was thinking about opening a Gun Shop/Liquer Store/Marajuana Dispensery.

Don't forget bait shop.

"8. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana, or any depressant, stimulant, or narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?"

I am no expert.

If you have a MM card, then you are not an unlawful user. Correct? My understanding is that marijuana is not addicting (in the physical sense). At what point is someone considered "addicted"? Is an alcoholic addicted to a depressant? There are some definite gray areas.

I have had this conversation with what I would consider a respected FFL. From what he has been told, it's best to answer #8 as a no. Not sure how the MM card and CCW card will mix in the state.

[Great-Kazoo]

the 4473, or whatever the current designation ask if you are AN ILLEGAL user.
if the VA Doc prescribes it, ALL medical records are covered under HIPPA privacy.