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    Asking for what trouble? You weren't at the crime scene. Do you even know who was killed? Do you have a motive? Are you supposed to be responsible for the actions of another adult? Would the crime have been prevented had you not sold the gun?

    Can you name one case, ever, where someone got into trouble for selling a to someone who later used it to kill someone? I think someone got into trouble after Columbine, but I think that minors were involved.
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    Plus, the Columbine guns were straw purchases (made by someone legal to purchase the guns with intent to resell to Harris & Klebold), were they not?
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    If I remember correctly from the book I read about it, two different people, one male and one female, made straw purchases for them and got two radically different sentences.

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    My requirements for FTF:

    You have US currency or equivalent trade items, as agreed.

    You state that you are a Legal Colorado resident and not restricted from owning a firearm.

    You speak and understand the English language.

    You don't give me the willies.....

    No ID, no bill of sale, no bullshit. A man's word is his bond, anything else is superfluous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFOGGER View Post
    You don't give me the willies.....
    I don't mind the willies, it's those damn heebeegeebees that will stop the deal cold in it's tracks.

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    I've sold a few recently. The gentlemen I dealt with were not intoxicated or obviously insane. No tinfoil hats or statements that involved crimes. We waved ID's briefly and cash changed hands. If any of these had been different I'd have backed out.

    Many years ago I had a co-worker show up at my house. He knew I owned guns. He was completely drunk. Someone had done something bad to him and he wanted to buy a gun from me to deal with this. I refused. He then offered to just rent a gun for a few hours. I refused. He then threatened me and I told him to leave or I'd demonstrate how a gun works. It was awkward seeing him back at work but we dealt with it.

    Some years later I was advertising a pistol in the paper and someone called. He wanted to buy it and made a point of mentioning he was from out of state, from an anti-gun state. He repeated this several times. I'm no lawyer but it felt wrong so I declined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrufflerSteve View Post
    I've sold a few recently. The gentlemen I dealt with were not intoxicated or obviously insane. No tinfoil hats or statements that involved crimes. We waved ID's briefly and cash changed hands. If any of these had been different I'd have backed out.

    Many years ago I had a co-worker show up at my house. He knew I owned guns. He was completely drunk. Someone had done something bad to him and he wanted to buy a gun from me to deal with this. I refused. He then offered to just rent a gun for a few hours. I refused. He then threatened me and I told him to leave or I'd demonstrate how a gun works. It was awkward seeing him back at work but we dealt with it.

    Some years later I was advertising a pistol in the paper and someone called. He wanted to buy it and made a point of mentioning he was from out of state, from an anti-gun state. He repeated this several times. I'm no lawyer but it felt wrong so I declined.

    If anything smells wrong don't do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrufflerSteve View Post

    He then offered to just rent a gun for a few hours.
    I don't know if the word 'hire' isn't as commonly used for a situation like that in this country, but when we moved to our first house in Florida we were having an energy audit and I was talking to the guy about shooting. At the time all I had was my Glock 19 and the only other gun I had ever fired was my brother-in-law's Beretta so I was keen to try some other guns. I was asking him if there was anywhere nearby that I could hire a gun from, and he honestly thought I was asking if he knew how I could have someone killed

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    Another thing about having BOS. BATF recently auditted a local pawnshop. They saw my friend who purchased few guns and tried to tracked it down just to investigate a straw purchase accusation. The funny part is they traced his BOS transactions and did not care about the FTF no paper transaction.

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