If The State Election Were Today

[Ranger]

So much for not doing any candidate bashing in this thread - HMPH!

[OneGuy67]

Tom is behind by 35% from the start, he cannot make that up because the looper is up 40% at the start and all the looper needs is 11% more, Tom needs 51% to win and that will not happen because 35% is committed to the R.

I our races, this doesn't apply. It is a simple majority vote.

[roberth]

I our races, this doesn't apply. It is a simple majority vote.

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

The R and the D both start with 35-40% of their respective voters just because those are the percentages that the R and the D can count on before election day. Tom starts at 0% (zero).

[roberth]

I am posting this to illustrate the futility of voting for third parties. I voted for Chuck because I knew McCain would lose. If I had thought it was going to be close I would have voted for McCain.

This is the chart from 2008, I found it on Wikipedia

Candidate $ Raised $ Spent # of Votes $ per vote

Barack Obama (D) $532,946,511 $513,557,218 69,498,215 $7.39
John McCain (R) $379,006,485 $346,666,422 59,948,240 $5.78
Ralph Nader (I) $4,496,180 $4,187,628 738,720 $5.67
Bob Barr (L) $1,383,681 $1,345,202 523,713 $2.57
Chuck Baldwin (C) $261,673 $234,309 199,437 $1.17
Cynthia McKinney (G) $240,130 $238,968 161,680 $1.48

There were a total of 131,070,005 votes tallied.

Ralph Nader got .005%, about one half of one percent of the vote.
Bob Barr got .004%, less than one half of one percent of the vote.
Chuck Baldwin got .0015%, just over one tenth of one percent of the vote.

As you can see even if McCain had received ALL the remaining votes that dear leader didn't get McCain still would have lost. McCain most certainly would not have received Nader or Green Party votes.

[Jer]

I still don't understand why you're trying to convince us all to vote for the wrong guy instead of the right guy based on some numbers you've made up. The polls I've seen show Tancredo has a much better chance of winning than you're giving him credit for.

[roberth]

I still don't understand why you're trying to convince us all to vote for the wrong guy instead of the right guy based on some numbers you've made up. The polls I've seen show Tancredo has a much better chance of winning than you're giving him credit for.

I did not make up the numbers, why would I do that? I am not a liberal or a global warming scientist.

Tancredo is showing a couple points behind Maes and McGinnis in the Rasmussan poll I saw. He has split the votes between himself and each R, ensuring a hickenlooper win.

I should just for vote Tancredo and then I'll be happy but I want Colorado to win and Colorado won't win with the looper.

[Ranger]

The polls I've seen show Tancredo has a much better chance of winning than you're giving him credit for.

Without plugging for my choice, the last polls officially taken on Tancredo released yesterday are quite to the contrary. Tancredo cannot win, no matter how much folks may wish he can, he simply will guarantee a Hick wins.

http://www.kwgn.com/news/kdvr-august...,1832077.story

Jer, I know you are fighting tooth and nail for Tancredo and get pretty steamed up at anyone who doesn't agree, but there are actual numbers that show that Tancredo could only win if a miracle happens. I really do understand that Tancredo is your guy and I also know that I will not convince you otherwise, so I won't try, but a lot of heavy polling is going on not just in Denver but nationwide about how Tancredo is handing the election to the democrats on a silver platter - these numbers are not just "made up" - hell they are even from the liberal media who would love to bolster Tancredos numbers to make sure Hick gets in.

[Jer]

Without plugging for my choice, the last polls officially taken on Tancredo released yesterday are quite to the contrary. Tancredo cannot win, no matter how much folks may wish he can, he simply will guarantee a Hick wins.

http://www.kwgn.com/news/kdvr-august...,1832077.story

Jer, I know you are fighting tooth and nail for Tancredo and get pretty steamed up at anyone who doesn't agree, but there are actual numbers that show that Tancredo could only win if a miracle happens. I really do understand that Tancredo is your guy and I also know that I will not convince you otherwise, so I won't try, but a lot of heavy polling is going on not just in Denver but nationwide about how Tancredo is handing the election to the democrats on a silver platter - these numbers are not just "made up" - hell they are even from the liberal media who would love to bolster Tancredos numbers to make sure Hick gets in.

Actually, I never said he was 'my man' or that I was voting for him. I'm only saying to vote for who is right and let all the 'experts' and polls be damned. My posts are more to urge people to stop following the usual which is just running the country into the ground. Think outside the box a little and, as sad as it may seem, this appears to include voting for the right guy... whoever you might find that to be.

[Ranger]

Actually, I never said he was 'my man' or that I was voting for him.

I stand corrected. Thinking outside the box is fantastic, I pretty much live my life by that rule. Bucking the system, you bet ! But, for me, I'll choose a path MORE traveled and do whatever it takes to make sure that my enemy (and have no doubts, he IS my enemy in many ways) does not take office. If I have to hold my nose and vote for either republican then I will. This isn't to say I would vote for Tancredo anyway, I have very deep resentment for him right now for those huge brass balls he's sporting for doing this in the first place.

[Zundfolge]

Wait, so how does voting for (R), which is the same thing as voting for (D), get us any closer to being able to vote for who we really want?

False Dichotomy.

Neither Maes nor Mcinnis would govern anywhere NEAR the same way that Hickenlooper would.

If the legislature put forth a bill like the one that just passed in MO basically negating Obama Care do you think Hickenlooper wouldn't cream his pants vetoing it? You know Maes or Mcinnis would sign the bill with much fanfare.

This whole "There's no difference between Dems and Repubs" is BS ... sure there are some bad Republicans (like McCain and Graham) and certianly neither party is 100% good (or maybe even 50%) but to claim there's no difference between them is just asinine.


Glib cynicism is cute and all ... makes for wonderful t-shirts, bumper stickers and parodies of motivational posters, but its nothing to base one's political strategies on.

There's a big difference betweeen "bucking the system" and "denying reality".