If The State Election Were Today

[Jer]

I have yet to see anyone say why they would vote for McInnis other than "so hickenlooper doesn't win." Not one single reason why anyone would want that guy.

Exactly, yet people are still voting for him. How can these people sleep at night when there's a 'better man for the job' and they will even admit it. Wonder why our country is in such a bad state? It starts here.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Dan Maes

[roberth]

It's because SO many people have this same bassackwards thinking. If they guy is the better candidate then VOTE FOR HIM. My vote is MY vote. I'm not voting on behalf of an entire party so I could care less but at the end of the day I know that I voted for the right guy... whoever that may be.

You do not understand. 35-40% of the people don't research, they vote straight R or D no matter what. A third party candidate cannot win that fight. 35-40% of the people will NEVER change their vote to a third party candidate of either side. Politics is about compromise and we need to compromise in this election. Baby steps people, baby steps.

Look, I appreciate the idealism but it's a loser in this election, like usual. If people vote for Tancredo the looper is lock to win it. Tancredo cannot win while starting behind 35-40% of the vote.

We need to keep hickenlooper OUT.

Remember Ross Perot in '92, he split the vote and we got Klinton instead of Bush41. Remember Bush and algore, Nader split the D vote and we got Bush.

Sure it's nice to vote your conscience but how does it feel when you NEVER WIN. At least conservatives can get some of the things we want, it is that or nothing and the looper will give conservatives LESS THAN NOTHING.

[Irving]

What exactly have we gotten from conservative parties?

[Jer]

You do not understand. 35-40% of the people don't research, they vote straight R or D no matter what. A third party candidate cannot win that fight.

Can't as long as we continue lending support to this by the votes we cast election after election. You mean to tell me that if a 3rd party candidate had a strong showing or even *gasp* won an election that more people might open their eyes a little and start researching who they vote for? Seems logical to me. I might even go as far as to say that the indifferent people of the nation who think their vote doesn't count might actually take note and potentially begin voting again.

Maybe you're right. Maybe I'm just an idealist. This idealist thinks that business as usual isn't working so I for one am ready to try another plan of attack in an effort to make things better. Clearly what we're doing isn't working so if you think we just do it harder it will suddenly work?

My votes will be cast for the person most for the American person and least likely to take away freedoms with new laws and most likely to start trying to strip these new bullshit laws away... that's just me though.

[BadShot]

Yeah, What Jer said!

[OneGuy67]

I've been recently listening to Mike Rosen and while I think he is a pompous ass, he makes some good points that I've never really considered about the party system. I've never voted for the party, only the person, who I felt most represented my own values and beliefs.

However, since our state and our federal systems are based on a majority party having influence and control over who is on specific committees, how and who drafts bills, what committees those bills will go to, and frankly, to ramrod legislation through as we've seen lately with the democrats, voting for an independent candidate sounds wonderful and refreshing and ultimately...empty. That person has no chance of getting legislation passed unless a majority of both D's and R's vote for it and if the party doesn't want or like something, it's not going anywhere.

Having the possibility of a third party candidate for governor in Tancredo is enticing, but would the R's listen to him on legislative issues, allow bills he obtains sponsors for to flourish or die in committee, or fight him every step of the way if elected just to spite him? Or would the conservative values override the party?

I don't know.

[Zundfolge]

I have yet to see anyone say why they would vote for McInnis other than "so hickenlooper doesn't win." Not one single reason why anyone would want that guy.

If Hickenlooper wins then Colorado is dead and we will now be East California. Period.

This state CAN NOT SURVIVE another term of a Democrat governor.

Based on these polls its pretty clear to me that Tancredo is going to cause Hickenlooper to win. So the death of a once great state is on his head.


Y'all can be third party idealists or ideological purists and vote for the guy you think would be best as governor (but has no chance of winning), but it will just mean a real hard left leaning Democrat in the highest executive office in the state.


Maybe someday in the future after we've instituted strong term limits and broken the backs of the entrenched interests in Denver and DC we can start voting for third party folk, but until then a vote for a "conservative" or "libertarian" third party candidate empowers the Democrat candidate.


But I'm pretty sure I'm wasting my breath (er ... fingers) yammering on about this ... for too many conservative/libertarian types The perfect has become the enemy of the good. And because of this I suspect that in Denver, DC and the rest of the country we're not going to be able to get rid of the bad in time to save the Republic.



EDIT
Ok, I have a question for you Tancredo supporters ... If Tancredo were to decide to drop out of the race would you vote for Hickenlooper or just not vote at all?

Ok, I posted a poll on this http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26461

[Irving]

Wait, so how does voting for (R), which is the same thing as voting for (D), get us any closer to being able to vote for who we really want?

[roberth]

Can't as long as we continue lending support to this by the votes we cast election after election. You mean to tell me that if a 3rd party candidate had a strong showing or even *gasp* won an election that more people might open their eyes a little and start researching who they vote for? Seems logical to me. I might even go as far as to say that the indifferent people of the nation who think their vote doesn't count might actually take note and potentially begin voting again.

Maybe you're right. Maybe I'm just an idealist. This idealist thinks that business as usual isn't working so I for one am ready to try another plan of attack in an effort to make things better. Clearly what we're doing isn't working so if you think we just do it harder it will suddenly work?

I am right, I am saddened to say it but I am utterly correct.

Now you have a choice to make. Vote your ideals and get Hickenlooper or compromise your ideals and get Maes/McGinnis.

Which is it?

We can get some more of our ideals in the next election.

Tom Tancredo is a GREAT candidate but the vast majority, 70-80% of the voters, only look for the D or the R on the ballot. No one else matters to these people and they are the majority and they will NEVER change.

You and I think about this stuff, we are the exception, in fact everyone who is discussing this topic is an exception. We are the 20-30% that gets to decide the election. We also make the incorrect assumption that other people take elections as seriously as we do.

Tom is behind by 35% from the start, he cannot make that up because the looper is up 40% at the start and all the looper needs is 11% more, Tom needs 51% to win and that will not happen because 35% is committed to the R.