Islam Perversion My Butt!

[ChunkyMonkey]

The pacifists would want you to think so. We give $1.3 billion to Egypt annually, and recently gave Pakistan $7.3 billion. Your reasoning is flaw. The list go on...

Genocide? It has been 5 years since I was in Israel, however I remember vividly how many arab ethnics serve in the IDF, how many Arab Israeli citizens flourish under the free country of Israel. Some Palestinians would sneak through the border to work in Israel. Could you say the same with Gaza or westbank. For crying out loud the Palestinians are fighting against each other. That includes our lovely lebanese friend. Please don't make this as a racial or Israel VS the Middleeast subject. US helped Muslims through out the world including the Kosovo minority, Quwait, shia/sunni in many many different point of history.

Also you should understand how the crusade started. Being in the western world, we tend to learn only on Western history/civilization. Jihad were and are waged much longer than crusade. From North Africa to spain, Arabia peninsula to Southern Europe, from the old kingdom of Persia to Central Asia of Russia and even to the Far west of China. The word INFIDEL is english for a nonbeliever. So yes it is used by the english speaking world. I refer it in english as in Arabic is KAFIR - which also means nonbelievers. The word Kafirs might mean death to so many people in the middle east at the beginning of spreading of Islam and even today!

Religious tolerance has nothing to do with promoting hatred, stoning, jihad, and matyrdom.

Back to what I was saying, growing up in a muslim country, I think many people here do not understand how dangerous Islam is to the free world.

[ERNO]

The pacifists would want you to think so. We give $1.3 billion to Egypt annually, and recently gave Pakistan $7.3 billion. Your reasoning is flaw. The list go on...

Genocide? It has been 5 years since I was in Israel, however I remember vividly how many arab ethnics serve in the IDF, how many Arab Israeli citizens flourish under the free country of Israel. Some Palestinians would sneak through the border to work in Israel. Could you say the same with Gaza or westbank. For crying out loud the Palestinians are fighting against each other. That includes our lovely lebanese friend. Please don't make this as a racial subject.

Also you should understand how the crusade started. Being in the western world, we tend to learn about Western history/civilization only. Jihad were and are waged much longer than crusade. From North Africa to spain, Arabia peninsula to Southern Europe, from the old kingdom of Persia to Central Asia of Russia and even to the Far west of China. The word INFIDEL is english for a nonbeliever. So yes it is used by the english speaking world. I refer it in english as in Arabic is KAFIR - which also means nonbelievers. The word Kafirs might mean death to so many people in the middle east at the beginning of spreading of Islam and even today!

Religious tolerance has nothing to do with promoting hatred, stoning, jihad, and matyrdom.

Back to what I was saying, growing up in a muslim country, I think many people here do not understand how dangerous Islam is to the free world.

Well, why don't you tell that to the Palistianian farmer who just had his orchard farm confiscated by Israel , in the Gaza Strip last week;because "his farm was too close too Israel's border,and his farm was used as a staging ground for attacks into Israel".Look at Israel and the West Bank on the map ,and you'll see that Israel grabbed all of the Palistianian water wells ,water rights;as well as most of there fertile farm's,and left the Palistianians with nothing but desert land to live on!

[ChunkyMonkey]

Again how does it have anything to do with the topic on hand. I cannot answer on behalf of the Israeli, I would agree with the justification if they use the ground to stage attacks. Put up some links to the fertile farm grabbing etc please.

Meanwhile enjoy the following Ramadhan scene in the supposedly strickened Gaza...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_pui...layer_embedded

No drinking water......
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=285242

GAZA MARKET....
http://ghadry.com/pictures-from-gaza...-muslim-world/

FEW MORE...Gaza market - wow hard to get your hand anything due to Israeli blockade right? Wrong..Israeli has been supplying food electricity and water for dirt cheap.



Source is Arabic news.. more pictures here...
http://www.paltoday.ps/arabic/News-64161.html

These folks are well known for their propaganda stories/news to the world. They are receiving more UN and International fund each year than REAL disasters like Pakistan earthquake or Haiti earthquake victims combined!

Cry me a river!

[jake]

Back to what I was saying, growing up in a muslim country, I think many people here do not understand how dangerous Islam is to the free world.

I don't think anyone here doubts how dangerous an ideology pursued to its most extreme ends can be to the free world. A Christian who believes that we're living in the end times, or that we don't need to worry about the Gulf oil spill because God will sort it out can be just as dangerous to the free world.

What many people here don't understand is how you can be so sure that a billion and a half Muslims all think exactly the same, all follow the Koran to the letter of your interpretation of it, and are all 100% committed to our destruction. If you can explain that with more than anecdotal evidence, or videos of a guy pandering to the prejudices of his audience, I'll gladly join your crusade. I'm too lazy to pray five times a day.

[Hoosier]

The only point I want to make, and I think it's important, is that you cannot say all Muslims are terrorists. And that Islam, a religion, is not an existential threat to the free world. There have been many religions over the millennia, too many to count, that have sought to control the world. They are the same as communism, fascism, and dictatorships; a means for one group of people to subjugate another.

These people must be opposed. Right now the most active of these is obviously Islam. But to say that all of Islam is terrorists, is to work the wrong way. Islamic jihadists are a subset of all their followers. People who want to see Shar'ia law implemented are another subset. They are your enemies. I could make a Venn diagram...

The problem with saying "bomb Mecca" is you alienate the other Muslims, the ones who are best able to turn the tide of opinion. You can't change public perception for the better with bombs.

My last $0.02, I'm just lurking from here on out.

H.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I don't think anyone here doubts how dangerous an ideology pursued to its most extreme ends can be to the free world. A Christian who believes that we're living in the end times, or that we don't need to worry about the Gulf oil spill because God will sort it out can be just as dangerous to the free world.

What many people here don't understand is how you can be so sure that a billion and a half Muslims all think exactly the same, all follow the Koran to the letter of your interpretation of it, and are all 100% committed to our destruction. If you can explain that with more than anecdotal evidence, or videos of a guy pandering to the prejudices of his audience, I'll gladly join your crusade. I'm too lazy to pray five times a day.

The difference is, other religions do not command you to kill the infidels/kafirs, stone the harams, or call for jihads. Islam as religion is dangerous - and can be used by 'Muslims' to justify extreme actions.

One thing I agree with you on the number. It doesn't take all muslims to be devout believers to start affecting your life as you know it. Google 'Ambon Jihad,' Jakarta riot, Poso Jihad, Iraqi Christian prosecution and so on.

You may choose to ignore it since you haven't lived through it.

[Zundfolge]

Islamic jihadists are a subset of all their followers. People who want to see Shar'ia law implemented are another subset.

That is the crux of the argument.

I would argue that violent Jihad against unbelievers and implementation of global Islamic government (of which Shar'ia is part) is a central tenant of mainstream Islam. And THAT is why they are a threat to western culture.

Much like the Divinity of Christ is a central tenant of mainstream Christianity.

Different Christian groups may disagree on whether one needs to be sprinkled or dunked, or whether drinking alcohol is a sin or whether women can be ordained or if homosexuality is a sin. But there are a handful of things that Christians must agree on (or they are no longer Christian).

Even if some Muslims choose not to engage in violent Jihad, they are still commanded not to take the side of the infidel against their more violent Muslim brothers.

When a kooky Christian group commits acts of violence against non-Christians, most Christians will stand up and condemn such acts. Any Muslim that condemns violent acts against infidels by his brother Muslims has committed a sin against Islam.

[HBARleatherneck]

so liberals, then muslims took over GB then sent their operatives here?

[Elhuero]

"Extremist" attacks against us have been going on for a long time.

At the heart of the matter is israel. The muslim extremists hate us and want to kill us because we support the zionist, imperial oppression of the jews.

Many of the americans that support "palestine" (palestinian is a buzzword they are syrians) are liberal products of liberal university indoctrination who 100 years ago would have been thoroughly anti-semitic.

well, they still are thoroughly anti-semitic, but in today's politically correct world it's much better for them to be pro "palestine" (who are anti-israel) rather than just being anti-israel.

But every once in a while one will let their facade slip and show their true colors e.g. Helen Thomas.

show me a white, english speaking supporter of of "palestine" and you show me someone who deep down would be A-OK with the extermination of every jewish person. (either that or they're tappin' a muslim) It's not a pretty or nice sentiment. Which is why they keep it hidden. A deception which conveniently enough muslims are allowed by allah to do to further his religion.

MB888 made a great post about how bad the syrians in gaza are suffering. But they want the world to think they are struggling and suffering.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL8ANySuSuk

calling people against the ground zero mosque 'bigots' is a red herring.

just like calling people for the AZ immigration law racists.

it's a cacophony of noise designed to intimidate and silence.

if you're an american muslim and think you're getting a raw deal in racist and bigoted U.S.A I invite you to expatriate your ass elsewhere or shut the fuck up.

[Byte Stryke]

The difference is, other religions do not command you to kill the infidels/kafirs, stone the harams, or call for jihads.

Sorry, WHAT?


Christianity and Islam are both equally to blame for the deaths of Millions.
For anyone to say that Christianity in any or all of its many forms is innocent of bloodshed is not only naive but ignorant and dangerous.

Woman with “familiar spirits” must be stoned to death. Leviticus 20:27
“Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.” Exodus 22:18
You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20
Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7
Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13
Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20
Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11
Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5
Don’t associate with non-Christians. Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 2 John 1:10
Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17
Paul, knowing that their faith would crumble if subjected to free and critical inquiry, tells his followers to avoid philosophy. Colossians 2:8
Whoever denies “that Jesus is the Christ” is a liar and an anti-Christ. 1 John 2:22
Christians are “of God;” everyone else is wicked. 1 John 5:19
The non-Christian is “a deceiver and an anti-Christ” 2 John 1:7
Anyone who doesn’t share Paul’s beliefs has “an evil heart.” Hebrews 3:12
False Jews are members of “the synagogue of Satan.” Revelations 2:9, 3:9
Everyone will have to worship Jesus -- whether they want to or not. Philippians 2:10
A Christian can not be accused of any wrongdoing. Romans 8:33

Quoted for intellectual Credits and because I didn't want to have to look all of it up.

The Sooner Christians and Muslims stop killing over different interpretations of the same book that was written by MEN, Dissected and perverted by MEN, and then called the "word of God" the better off the world will be.

Hey, Go rob this bank for me and kill the people inside because Kermit the Frog Said so *scribble scribble* see, it says so in this book. If you do this for Kermit you will get an eternity with supermodels and a new Ferrari!

Stop using some Invisible man in the clouds to make ignorant people do your self-serving dirty-work.

Guess what, we are all on the same rock, no one is going anywhere. There are no 40 virgins, there is no magic harp and halo... there is what we do here. Religion is an opiate for the IGNORANT masses.

/rant