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    Quote Originally Posted by MB888 View Post
    Islam has been steadily among the fastest growing religions in the past 2000 years, no?
    Lots of younger Muslims born and raised in Western societies are clashing with their elders about the level of freedom they want, no?

    "A lot of people seem obliged to have a viewpoint."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jake View Post
    Lots of younger Muslims born and raised in Western societies are clashing with their elders about the level of freedom they want, no?
    Hence the stoning and murders of the younger generation even here in US, no? Even some converting muslims from the western world are known to fight his/her own fellow countrymen in the name of Islam. Where have you been?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MB888 View Post
    Hence the stoning and murders of the younger generation even here in US, no? Even some converting muslims from the western world are known to fight his/her own fellow countrymen in the name of Islam. Where have you been?
    Having dinner and watching Louie.

    My point is, younger Muslims who are growing up in the West are pushing back against the strict interpretation of their religion. Of course their parents are pushing back too, but evolution is a gradual process. Christianity didn't go from the Inquisition to where it is today overnight. It had to start somewhere.

    "A lot of people seem obliged to have a viewpoint."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MB888 View Post
    Hence the stoning and murders of the younger generation even here in US, no? Even some converting muslims from the western world are known to fight his/her own fellow countrymen in the name of Islam. Where have you been?
    I think there are two main groups of people here in the U.S.I believe one group believes in the constitional rights of people here in the U.S.I think that the other group believes that if you are not a "Christian",you do not stand up to the "ideals"and "principles",of the United States of America. My question to you is, even though you may not agree with it o you believe the Muslims have the right to build a cultural center,with a prayer room,two blocks from "911 GROUND ZERO"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ERNO View Post
    I think there are two main groups of people here in the U.S.I believe one group believes in the constitional rights of people here in the U.S.I think that the other group believes that if you are not a "Christian",you do not stand up to the "ideals"and "principles",of the United States of America. My question to you is, even though you may not agree with itDo you believe the Muslims have the right to build a cultural center,with a prayer room,two blocks from "911 GROUND ZERO"?
    First, I am not Christian. 2nd they have the right to build it on the ground zero for all I care, but as much as I do have the right to open gay bar, pork BBQ joint right next to it, or play the spangled banner outloud next to the mosque. But now it's back to the 'tolerance' part isnt it? It's within my right, but it's extremely unethical, intolerant, and a provocation for me to open something thats totally against Islam right next door.

    Now, do you care to explain how the Israeli vs Palestinian, or being Christian or building mosque in the ground zero area have anything to do with my argument that ISLAM is dangerous to the free world? Middle East is not the largest Islamic region btw. Indonesia and China have the largest Islam followers in the world.

    Stop changing the subject and put up a valid argument like many of these folks have done or give it a rest. :P

    I have argued many times with Haj and imam locally here. So far they justify stoning, killing the kafirs (by not being against it), even as silly stuff as the women are lesser beings than men. Perhaps its my skin color, or where I come from -But I was approached to join the mosque congregation twice now in Aurora. Once it allowed me to discuss their belief openly in a group of 20 or so. It led me to believe that as moderate as they are, they will not condemn their fellow 'muslim extremists'. They support them financially and so on. The common answers when asked if they think 9/11 is a terrorist act - the first sentence out of their mouth typically starts with 'well it is US' fault....'
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    If you dont say no then you are saying yes. When it comes down to Muslims are crap subhumans. Look at how they treat each other.

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