Most Inherently Accurate Full-Auto...

[BPTactical]

HK G3 platform.
Excellent reliability, good accuracy, virtually unbreakable design, will eat every ammo made, easy field stripping, cheap magazines.
A little rough on recoil but less muzzle rise than a FAL

For strictly short range work an AK would be tough to beat.

[BigBear]

...For strictly short range work an AK would be tough to beat.

Seems to be the consensus.... Why would it be hard to beat when the M16 is more inherently accurate, etc? I'm really interested in the "why's" and not just a gun listing.

HK G3 huh? Not familiar with that one. Time to google!

[Hoosier]

This gun isn't really available to citizens, it's heavy, difficult to clean, etc... it's the AN-94, it has a barrel that slides back into the receiver with every shot. It has single shot, two shot burst, and full auto capability. The interesting thing here is the two shot burst. It fires those two shots at "1800 rpm" ... so if my early morning math is correct, there is a 0.033 second gap between each bullet. They claim someone good with the platform can put two bullets through the same hole reliably in that configuration.

H.

[BigBear]

Wow, whole new meaning to "double tap"...

[BPTactical]

Wow, whole new meaning to "double tap"...

BigBear- a little off topic but the double tap technique may help the "Father" dilemma.....



G3 platform is the selective fire version of the HK91. Been around forever and a proven performer.
If you watch any video of just about any African conflict they are armed with either an AK or a G3, with the occasional Rhodesian FAL. The damn things are orange from rust but still thumping.
Much better accuracy than an AK at a distance beyond 100 meters. The 7.62 x 51 is a very effective and capable round.
I can typically hit shrubs at 7-800 yards with irons from my PTR all day.

[BigBear]

BigBear- a little off topic but the double tap technique may help the "Father" dilemma......

Oh Dear Lord! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I just spit my water all over my keyboard! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

"Two in head and you know they be dead." HAHA.





Been looking at G3's for a few minutes, seem to be very nice from your description and what I can google.... Interesting. How much would a full auto G3 run though? Can't seem to find a price and don't really know where to look.

[BPTactical]

I am not real familiar with the NFA legalities of such but I would not think there are a lot of true G3's in country. You should be able to find a transferable Trigger group or sear though. A good place to price check would be Sturmgehwer.com (check spelling). They have a pretty wide selection of NFA toys for sale.

[BigBear]

Yeah, that's one of the problems.... I would like to avoid the hassles of purchasing the wrong things or something non-compatable. That's why I'd prefer just the complete weapon (which I know makes it more expensive....

Eh, but it's just all dreams anyways.

So here's a really stupid question.. from what I'm reading the G3 takes a .308 round (7.62x51) not an AK round (7.62x39).... So what's the difference in those two rounds? <--Very basic question I SHOULD know the answer too, but don't as all I've ever had of the 7.62 flavor is a .308... Are all "7.62" not created equal?

[BPTactical]

No- not all 7.62 are equal. 7.62 x 39 is the classic AK round and is classified as an Intermediate round. 7.62 x 51 is classified as a rifle round and the 12 mm difference is a huge difference. I can't quote specific ballistics without looking it up but the 39 round was the Russian answer to the Kurz round for the STG 44 in WWII.
There was a ton of research after the war and it was the consensus that:
A- Most engagements were 200 meters or less.
B- Full size rifle rounds such as the 30.06, 7mm, 8mm and 7.62 x 54R were way overkill for such engagements.

Intermediate rounds were the result to save money, save raw materials, manufacture smaller and lighter weapons and the average troop could carry more rounds.
The 7.62 x 51 is a scaled down 30.06 and came about to be a NATO standard.
It still has good rifle ballistics and in the right weapon and the right hands it is capable of 1000 yard accuracy.
On the other hand the 7.62 x 39 falls on its face after about 300 meters. It packs a good punch up to about 150 meters and quickly fades after that. There are few platforms that can really eek any real accuracy from the AK round.

Some of it is the result of US vs Soviet mindset. The US soldier is a rifleman that is well trained and taught to shoot accurately at a distance.
The Soviet soldier is typically a conscript that does not receive near the training that the US soldier. They are taught to use their rifle as a bullet hose.

[BigBear]

Interesting, thanks for the history/info lesson. I knew the '06 and .308 very pretty similiar but didn't realize they were the same family.

So how about your thoughts on AK vs G3? Or is there just no room for comparison as they were intended for differing roles?