Most Inherently Accurate Full-Auto...

[BigBear]

People with expertise:

What, in your opinion, is the most inherently accurate full auto firearm that a civilian could legally possess or gain access too?

Criterium - Knockdown, feild carry, low cost maintaince/ammo, accurate at 100 yards and LESS, etc.

I've shot a Ruger 22LR full auto. It was decent but would like more knockdown.

I've shot a M16 full auto. Really liked... but seems like it could be more accurate.

I've shot a HK MP5 full auto. LOVED, on my "want" list. Most accurate so far and in 9mm, "cheaper" but still can acheieve knockdown.

I've shot an Uzi.... felt lose, horrible, did not like. Bad accuracy, climbed high right like a mofo, whole 30 rnd mag gone in seconds, lol.

I've shot a .50... accurate on the first shot, but not exactly feild carry capable. Ammo super expensive.

I've not had a chance to shoot a 7.62 or .308 full auto but expect them to be the most accurate, mass quntities of ammo available, etc...


Your thoughts and experiences?

[Hoser]

M-16 or M-4.

[BigBear]

Can you expound a little on "why" you choose that Hoser? I did thoughourly enjoy the M16 I got to shoot.

[275RLTW]

AK. Full auto is not designed for sub-MOA performance, only "accuracy by volume." While I love the M4, its lack of penetreation compared to the 7.62 is compensated by its increased accuracy to reduce ammo consumption. Anyone can shootone well enough (10yr olds around the world can run a AK like a champ), ammo is cheap and abundant internationally, and materials to build are cheaper with less stringient tolerinces.

[BigBear]

Is an FA AK available in teh US to pick up? From what sources? I've looked at impactguns and autoweapons and there doesn't seem to be much in the way of AK's...

I'm not looking for submoa, lol. More of a 20 rds in a 10 inch at 20 yards versus 20 rounds in a 5 foot at 20 yards... <-- numbers contrived, for example only.

Speaking of the 7.62, what are your thoughts on the FAL? Seen a few of them laying around.

[bluker1]

I would say my Full Auto Saiga-12 with Slugs. She kept them in there at just over 1200 rds/min.

[Hoser]

Can you expound a little on "why" you choose that Hoser? I did thoughourly enjoy the M16 I got to shoot.

Of all the full autos that I have played with that are as pre 86 guns, the M-16 and its versions are the easiest to shoot full auto. Low recoil/sight movement, good trigger, good mags, not a lot of sharp edges, cheap ammo, ect is why I said M-16.

The MP-5 or HK-53 are also on the short list for the same reasons.

The P90 and MP-7 are also very easy to shoot, but are all post 86 guns.

[rtr]

It really depends a lot on what type of "field carry" and "knock down" you need along with what level of accuracy you expect.

IMO full auto and "accurate" are kind of mutually exclusive. In semi auto an M16 or MP5 are both pretty accurate, although the MP5 loses accuracy at longer distances since it's a pistol cartridge.

Furthermore "field carrying" a weapon that likely is worth over $10K may not be a great idea, I also don't know what the law says about carrying an NFA weapon around, likely depends on where you're carrying it I suppose.

For me full autos are just fun range toys, my biggest criteria is how expensive it is to feed, so for me a 9mm or .22LR are the best bets.

[BigBear]

Of all the full autos that I have played with that are as pre 86 guns, ... but are all post 86 guns.

So what is the difference between the pre and post era guns if they both perform full auto functions? I feel like I'm missing something. Is it just that the pre-'86 are more rare and civilians can't own any post era'86's??

It really depends a lot on what type of "field carry" and "knock down" you need along with what level of accuracy you expect.

IMO full auto and "accurate" are kind of mutually exclusive. In semi auto an M16 or MP5 are both pretty accurate, although the MP5 loses accuracy at longer distances since it's a pistol cartridge.

Furthermore "field carrying" a weapon that likely is worth over $10K may not be a great idea, I also don't know what the law says about carrying an NFA weapon around, likely depends on where you're carrying it I suppose.

For me full autos are just fun range toys, my biggest criteria is how expensive it is to feed, so for me a 9mm or .22LR are the best bets.

RTR, thanks for your input. Eventually if I ever could afford one of these it would be a safe queen and range toy only. I was just thinking about our military fighting overseas and how people talk about teh 5.56 not having the "umph" to have a clean knockdown or keep a straight trajectory through objects (windshields, etc) at distance and blah, blah, blah so I was thinking up a "want list" of criteria for a battle weapon and wondering what was out there that people have had experience with.