Tactical Course Simunition?

[USAFGopherMike]

Bringing back an old thread since I couldn't find any other relevant posts on simunition. Anybody know if there's truth to the LEO/Military access only statement? I've used it in the AF/JSOC world and yes.. it hurts.. far worse than paintball. I had a round cut the side of my head pretty good and CQC was aweful. Anybody else used it?

[275RLTW]

Bringing back an old thread since I couldn't find any other relevant posts on simunition. Anybody know if there's truth to the LEO/Military access only statement? I've used it in the AF/JSOC world and yes.. it hurts.. far worse than paintball. I had a round cut the side of my head pretty good and CQC was aweful. Anybody else used it?

Simunitions can only be purchased by LE/mil. All authorized Simunition traininers must sign contract that their products will only be used for LE/mil training.

UTM is available for civilians however due to minimum ordering requirements ($12K+), only larger training organizations will have them. No way to order 1 conversion kit and a case of ammo unless you are set up with them and have already placed the minimum order.

[SuperiorDG]

Simunitions can only be purchased by LE/mil. All authorized Simunition traininers must sign contract that their products will only be used for LE/mil training.

UTM is available for civilians however due to minimum ordering requirements ($12K+), only larger training organizations will have them. No way to order 1 conversion kit and a case of ammo unless you are set up with them and have already placed the minimum order.

Travis Haley uses UTM in some of his classes. This past summer they did two simulations in a 4 day class. They hurt like hell. First simulation was we had to run through the woods to stop a school active shooter. BG caught me by surprise and shot me in the gut. I went down fast. Second run was a hostage situation. While running to where the hostage was Travis Jr. shoot me in the weak hand making my hand useless for a few minutes. I finally got the BG and didn't break my ankle (inside joke.) I guess my point is: it would be hard to put together a long class if you being shot with these things. I have scares to prove it.

[275RLTW]

Travis Haley uses UTM in some of his classes. This past summer they did two simulations in a 4 day class. They hurt like hell. First simulation was we had to run through the woods to stop a school active shooter. BG caught me by surprise and shot me in the gut. I went down fast. Second run was a hostage situation. While running to where the hostage was Travis Jr. shoot me in the weak hand making my hand useless for a few minutes. I finally got the BG and didn't break my ankle (inside joke.) I guess my point is: it would be hard to put together a long class if you being shot with these things. I have scares to prove it.

Oakley gloves, cup, & fluffy jacket (and full headgear/throat protection, of course) I use UTM all the time and yes, they do hurt. (Beers afterwards help with the pain & chicks dig scars). They don't call them Man Marker Rounds for nothing...

[asmo]

I finally got the BG and didn't break my ankle (inside joke.)

Still hurts even though the cast is off.
and I still have a scar on my stomach from that little bastard.

[SuperiorDG]

Still hurts even though the cast is off.
and I still have a scar on my stomach from that little bastard.

When you are all better we can go run some drills.