not to ruin someones thread but,why post potential illegal act on here?

[HBARleatherneck]

In the for sale forum, a brand new member first post is soliciting a straw purchase. Am I wrong, or is telling everyone you live in another state, and asking to buy a gun wrong? he said his son will take care of it, but then he is making a straw purchase since his father cant legally buy here. i know people do it everyday for family and friends, but announcing it to the world seems wrong. Or am I wrong? or is he a JBT trying to ensnare someone?

its not my forum. but how about a 1-3 month period before you can sell, and or 100 legitimate posts? this keeps it clean for members who participate, those other people can buy a membership at cologunmarket or take their chances with craigslist.

[OgenRwot]

Honestly, could be a sting. Maybe you should post this in there so somebody doesn't get duped or this site doesn't get labeled as a place for illegal activities.

[HBARleatherneck]

i did then I remembered not to shit on someones thread. i did push the report button. i really dont care what people do. but i like co-ar15, and would like to see it continue to operate. so do the bad stuff at home and shut your hole online.

[ThunderSquirrel]

Everything about that post seems sketchy... down to the 'Its an old number, voicemail only... blah blah..."

I'm with you on this one. Outright asking for a straw purchase shouldn't be allowed, especially for post #1.

[ronaldrwl]

A short waiting period before selling is worth a discussion. Is it just me? I dislike post number 1 is something for sell.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I just saw that ad too. In the past I have recommended some minimum post number before you may post a classified ad. I won't buy from a 1 post wonder either.. For now its a matter each safety preference I suppose.

[OgenRwot]

From a site I frequented in Arizona. I really liked the way they handled their classifieds section. At a point the site had a flood (as outlined below) of new users and the classifieds became a disaster. I was there before and after the new TOS and after they were implemented it was much better and had a lot less clutter.

Please read this entire post.

In an effort to increase the quality of ArizonaShooting (AZS), and to reduce the number of users who have recently flooded AZS merely to buy/sell things and not be contributing/productive members of the forum, ArizonaShooting has a policy to regulate access to the classified ad section of the website. However, in order to reduce the likelihood of people "gaming" the system, we are not publicizing the requirements, nor will we tell you what they are except to say that it is NOT a function consisting solely of post count. If/when you meet the requirements, you will find that you have access to the classifieds. Until such time, you do not. If you've previously had access to them and suddenly find you do not, it means that you do not meet the current criteria. There is no "grandfathering" of users. We strongly suggest that you continue to be active in the forums and on the site in general, as we may modify requirements down the road.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. However, while one of the main purposes of the board has been to promote the free-market exchange of legal goods and services, there have been a number of users who have taken advantage of the nature of the board to the disadvantage of other users. Short of policing every transaction, something the moderators and board owner are unable to do, this policy has been created, hopefully for the benefit of all involved and will help to return the trust and satisfaction that users experienced in the past when using the classifieds. This does not replace common sense in dealing with someone that you do not know. Do your own research.

Additionally, as a reminder for those who do have access to the classifieds:

- The classifieds are not discussion forums. Except in rare circumstances, the only one to post in the ad should be the seller.
- If you have a question for the seller, you can either PM them or post it up in the forum, especially if it's a question that might be of general interest to others. This doesn't mean, though, you can post stuff like "Did you know you can get it for less at XYZ store?" or things like that.
- Purchase offers should be done via PM or email them, but please do not post "PM/email sent". "I'll take it" is fine to post, however please no follow ups like "darn, I am always too slow", etc., even if, darn it, you always ARE too slow.
- If the rules in the classifieds are not followed, you may receive a warning via the board. If you get enough warnings, you will lose access to the classifieds area.


For those who do not have access to the classifieds:

- There are no exceptions to gaining access if you don't have it. None. Don't ask. The process is automated and once you meet the criteria, you will have access.
- Trying to game the system with 10,000 "+1" or "I agree" posts will not only still not get you access, but may earn you a ban from the site. If it's obvious that you're posting with the intent to raise post count and not contributing anything to threads you post in, you risk being banned from the site and/or having your account "reset".
- If you make "for sale" posts (or "want to buy" posts) in another forum, you will be permanently banned from the site.


These changes have been implemented in order to try to provide a better experience in the classified ad section for all AZS members - not just people who sign up for accounts on AZS. Thanks.



NOTE: There are absolutely NO EXCEPTIONS.

[HBARleatherneck]

i looked his number and screen name up. he posts on classic car forums, benelliusa,etc. stupid but, he is probably legit, but asking for trouble.

ok, so no minimum post amount. then minimum time on the forum.
Frank on SnipersHide made it something like 100 posts. but, that doesnt work unless the mods get nitpicky. because some guys are "IBTL, WTF, cool, awesome,etc" nothing productive. I think minimum time on the forum. 1 - 3 months would discourage people who only come to hawk their wares. And have a more productive and partcipatory membership. but who am i?

thanks for stealing my thunder Owen. since you posted what I was thinking. are you spying on me?

[Irving]

I posted on another local board for many years. They implemented a minimum post count to view certain forums because a lot of car thieves viewed the site and would steal people's stuff, or just sign up to sell stolen parts.

The minimum post count kind of cleaned up the for sale section, but not completely. I hope it doesn't come to that here, but that is just my person opinion. When you do that, a lot of focus is moved to who is legit and who is not, and really takes away from the site itself. It becomes like an exclusive club where every new member is frowned down on and scoffed at for months before they are accepted.



On another note though, what if you want to buy someone a gun as a gift? How is that not a straw purchase, and what makes that acceptable compared to any other straw purchase?

[BPTactical]

This for sale thread has an aroma to it. IF this guy in MN is as claimed then he damn well knows what constitutes a "Straw Purchase". Unattended # at his "Old Forensic Lab"? Leave your own incriminating voicemail!
Don't tell me they don't sell Glocks in MN-
This one has more flags than the front of the UN building.

Speaking of which, remember the post titled "Something Bugs me" or similar. That thread stunk for the reason the OP was pissy about sellers requesting ID . Now the OP claimed to be an ex LEO and could not understand the importance of showing an ID or a BOS. BS!
I think the trolls are in full flight...

As far as a certain number of posts before you can post a firearm for sale, I think it is a good idea.
How about this idea- instead of a certain timeframe/post count- New members can only post firearm accessories or non firearm items until a becoming a verified member.
Verification could only occur after X amount of positive feedbacks from verified existing members.
I think it could be a good way to thin the crops.
Just a thought........