Micheal Schuber Interview-CIA

[275RLTW]

. I do believe we should pursue them MUCH more aggressively and punish those that harbor our enemies.

Wrong Commander in Chief....

and with McChrystal out....no more balls left in military managemet (dont even get me started on that waste of oxygen Petraeus)

[275RLTW]

Do you think that trying to show them that we are better and then killing a family member or friend (legitimately) due to their terror connections makes them think of us as hypocrits? How do we get over that? That instills the hate for us. Once a wall like that is built, it's hard to tear down.

Also, who defines what the definition of "a better man" is? The American image of a man is everything they detest it seems.. For them, could it be who kills the most infidels, etc?... just some interesting thoughts to me.

Not trying to start anything, just interested in peoples thoughts.

Didn't suggest that it is an easy task. Doing the right thing seldom is...The day we as a country decide to pick the easy way out instead of the right thing is the day when I pick up and move.

[TFOGGER]

The misconception here is that we can instill OUR sense of morality in the Muslim extremists by showing them how much more noble we are and taking the higher path. This method might work with enemies that share our world view, but the extremists that comprise Al Qaeda and allied organizations are not bound by our conceptions of what is right or moral. For the last 6000 years(Yes, I know Islam is not that old, but bear with me), the only tactic that has worked with these tribes is to instill fear and respect, as their only loyalties lie with family, clan, and religion. The only way to deal with them as equals is to have a credible threat available to use against any of those 3. As soon as you show weakness, you are no longer an equal, and will be treated with derision and contempt. Not all Muslims are terrorists, and many are willing to embrace western values, but they must do it on their own terms, and some will reject them altogether.

[Elhuero]

I think everybody knows my thoughts on how to deal with terrorism.

They can hate us all they want, blame us for their problems, march, burn flags and shout allah akbar all day. I don't give a shit, as long as it goes no further.

But they need to learn and we need to teach them that if their hate overflows into action they will pay a price so steep that others that follow after will think twice, and hard, before fucking with us.

[275RLTW]

but the extremists that comprise Al Qaeda and allied organizations are not bound by our conceptions of what is right or moral. ...and some will reject them altogether.

That's where the lead injections come in!!

(updated...non-toxic, lead free copper and tungsten injections. I forgot about the new M855A1 ammo.)

[BigBear]

Didn't suggest that it is an easy task. Doing the right thing seldom is....

Big +1, rgr that...

The misconception here is that we can instill OUR sense of morality in the Muslim extremists by showing them how much more noble we are and taking the higher path. This method might work with enemies that share our world view, but the extremists that comprise Al Qaeda and allied organizations are not bound by our conceptions of what is right or moral. For the last 6000 years(Yes, I know Islam is not that old, but bear with me), the only tactic that has worked with these tribes is to instill fear and respect, as their only loyalties lie with family, clan, and religion. The only way to deal with them as equals is to have a credible threat available to use against any of those 3. As soon as you show weakness, you are no longer an equal, and will be treated with derision and contempt. Not all Muslims are terrorists, and many are willing to embrace western values, but they must do it on their own terms, and some will reject them altogether.

First sentence is exactly what I was trying to convey. Thanks. I agree with the rest as well.

...They can hate us all they want, blame us for their problems, march, burn flags and shout allah akbar all day. I don't give a shit, as long as it goes no further.

But they need to learn and we need to teach them that if their hate overflows into action they will pay a price so steep that others that follow after will think twice, and hard, before fucking with us.

True, and thus the vicious cycle of "how"? But, I do completely agree. Wipe tribe 1 from the face of the earth and tribe 2 will think long and hard before committing any certain act.

[Elhuero]

Big +1, rgr that...



First sentence is exactly what I was trying to convey. Thanks. I agree with the rest as well.





True, and thus the vicious cycle of "how"? But, I do completely agree. Wipe tribe 1 from the face of the earth and tribe 2 will think long and hard before committing any certain act.

I'd tell you how, but then folks wouldn't think I was such a nice guy.

[Hoosier]

Where did that come from ? All I'm suggesting is that we pursue our enemies aggressively and not by opinion.

Well I'm less irritable after I've had some coffee, but I read the first few posts as "Let's retaliate against them indiscriminately", and that is irrationality that I can't abide.

The comparison to WWII is not apt. The civilians working in those plants producing munitions (the broad sense of the word) are valid targets. The people in WTC? No. The insurgents in the training camp? MQ-9 go!

The idea that we should "kill em all" in an environment where the enemy doesn't wear uniforms and uses the human populace as a shield is repugnant. I should have found some sources on the original posters comments, because it's hard to believe a CIA analyst, knowing the relative scope of the task, would use such a blanket phrase. It implies a callous disregard for innocent victims, and that disregard is a larger long term threat than our opponents.

H.

[RARGUNS]

He was on FOX this morning. I was working in the next room when I heard it and I was a little shocked to hear that in an interview so I went and backed it up so I could listen to it again. I don't think he meant civilians. I think the context was more "insurgents". But you don't hear that kind of thing very often. That said, the way they hide among the population, I don't see how an effective campaign can be waged without a lot of casualties, innocent? or not. I do not believe the ones that are radicalized can be changed. They will never be peaceful people. What sucks it they are indoctrinating more and more everyday. And a lot of those are children.

[275RLTW]

That said, the way they hide among the population, I don't see how an effective campaign can be waged without a lot of casualties, innocent? or not.

Not to beat a dead horse, but that's why we need McChrystal back... we were doing it just fine on 01-02 with him running JSOC.