update again for the trailer theft shooting. it gets better.

[roberth]

Gee, and to think some people wonder why illegals continue to commit crimes. If we'd stop giving the scum incentives to be criminals maybe we'd get some relief.

[Stinky]

There are some misconceptions here.

First off, there is no legal term such as "self-deport." There are the terms Voluntary Return, and Stipulated Removal and removed or deported (assuming that he has never been deported before).

A VR only takes a seat on the plane (once he signs admitting that he is in the US illegally). But, I pretty much guarantee that he wasn't VR'd...it would be against Denver ICE policy do do so, for a criminal alien.

A Stipulated Removal is when the guy accepts a formal removal to Mexico, instead of being ordered removed by a judge. This takes 7-10 days...instead of 30 (guess what probably happened). But, both of the last two removals count the same and being as he was ordered deported he'll never get amnesty or other benefits. He has to apply for permission from the Attorney General, w/in 5 years to LEGALLY re-enter the US (There is no obligation to apply, if he is going to enter the US illegally).

Storey only told half of the truth....ICE is under no legal obligation to hold the guy for trial...but they do have a legal obligation to follow due process of law and put, and keep the guy in removal proceedings (there is a legal process that has to be followed after all, you didn't actually think that ICE could actually hold him w/o bond indefinitly did you? He does have rights, doesn't he?).

I bet you dollars to donuts that Storey knew that the guy bonded out and did nothing to get his bond changed. So, DAs try to get em back and some don't.

Now, my guess is that Storey knew that the would be back soon (You don't actually think that he is telling everything that he knows about the case do you?). Anyways, once the guy is nabbed again, they will be a warrant for the guy and his stuff will look awfully weak the next time that he is in front of a judge...and you know....a leopard can't change his spots. He'll be arrested again, for some Mickey-mouse offense and his prints will pop up in AFIS (look it up).

My guess is that the alien was in jail for awhile and was desperate to get out and is crazy enough to believe that they won't look for him. So, he'll just come right back.

There was an ICE hold on him...they knew his citizenship. Also, no fed law against verifying citizenship. In some places...sanctuary cities, they don't do it.

[Krasni]

If someone is killed while here illegally is it a crime? If an illegal's family sued the federal government for not preventing him from being here illegally, thus exposing him to the murder, would that finally get them to wake the hell up?

[theGinsue]

edited to add: and I hope the bondsman puts a lien on the sister's house.

Okay, I'm not a bail bondman, but this CO law that let's them off the hook for the bail on an illegal just means they'll keep bailing out illegals. If he had remained in jail ICE would have had to jump through some hoops to help him run from justice.

"My" government directly assists criminals in avoiding prosecution while also wasting "my" states resources.

Wonder why I don't trust them?

Oh, I'm with you 100% on this bud!

I Sat waiting for my wife to get off work the other day and watched a man and a woman and a child come in and buy food on the food stamp card.
Been there had to do that, I understand...
He THEN Wires $400.00 USD to his familia in Chihuahua.
He bragged that its his retirement.

I left the store so that I wouldn't jeopardize my wife's $7.50/hr job.

Dang Byte, that pisses me off just reading it. This type of abuse has got to be stopped. Why can't we get some common sense laws in place and common sense public assistance like welfare in place? I realize that some folks legitimately come on hard times so I'm not advocating completely doing away with the program, but Food Stamps should be run like WIC where you can only buy certain types of food - and it must be nutritional, not junk food. You want junk food, get a job that'll pay for it. And niceties like steak should be coded as a very limited item.

When I was in college and couldn't even afford a bike to help me get around town - and got $0.00 support from my parents or anyone else, I stood in line at the local Safeway with the barest of essentials that I could afford and carry the 1.5 miles to my roach infested trailer. I watched with envy the guy in front of me with his new Reebok's and leather Members Only jacket (it was the '80's and they were in style), and all of the wonderful food he had. He paid for it all with Food Stamps. I was furious. I then watched him go out to his car, it was a less than 2 year old Trans Am, knowing that I was going to have to carry my pitiful purchases by hand all of the way home. At that point, I came to realize just how fraught with fraud and abuse the welfare system is. Not that it really makes it any better, but at least that guy was a citizen.

Why is it that our government thinks we need to give special privlidges to illegal non-citizens anyway? As much as I hate to say it, even under Conservative administrations we were making it easy on illegals. None of these problems we're reading about in the news today is a new problem - they've only become increasingly worse recently, that's all. So, why?!

[theGinsue]

(there is a legal process that has to be followed after all, you didn't actually think that ICE could actually hold him w/o bond indefinitly did you? He does have rights, doesn't he?).

Aside from basic human rights, I say NO, there shouldn't be any. The rights should be for citizens, just as I firmly believe that the Constitution only applies to citizens. Just the way I feel!

If someone is killed while here illegally is it a crime? If an illegal's family sued the federal government for not preventing him from being here illegally, thus exposing him to the murder, would that finally get them to wake the hell up?

Sadly, I think that this would just throw our government into high gear to offer amnesty and remove the "criminal"/"illegal" aspect of coming into the country illegally so as to prevent another lawsuit of that nature.

[Byte Stryke]

Dang Byte, that pisses me off just reading it. This type of abuse has got to be stopped. Why can't we get some common sense laws in place and common sense public assistance like welfare in place? I realize that some folks legitimately come on hard times so I'm not advocating completely doing away with the program, but Food Stamps should be run like WIC where you can only buy certain types of food - and it must be nutritional, not junk food. You want junk food, get a job that'll pay for it. And niceties like steak should be coded as a very limited item.

I left because I wouldn't be doing my Family any favors getting my Wife fired and landing in jail for punching him in his smug-ass mouth.

[Irving]

Tengo hambre por la Justicia.

[Elhuero]

remember cheech and chong when the whole wedding party gets deported for the free ride to TJ?

I bet the guy is already back in the states by now.

forget stubbing his toe, I hope the shitbag dies.

pinche cabron

[Irving]

Also HBAR, you have a funny definition of "better."

[KevDen2005]

Why is it that our government thinks we need to give special privlidges to illegal non-citizens anyway? As much as I hate to say it, even under Conservative administrations we were making it easy on illegals. None of these problems we're reading about in the news today is a new problem - they've only become increasingly worse recently, that's all. So, why?!

I have to say that I do agree with you. I often seen food stamps being used and then a cart full of other things that are purchased with cash because it is obviously something that food stamps do not cover. Which generally pisses me off because they are luxury items like candy and cigarettes and what not (I actually never pay close enough attention and I know that I should).

I am a little torn about helping illegals because we want people that are in our country to be healthy too right? We don't want them starving and getting diseases to pass on to all of us and to commit even more crimes because they are hungry. Then I go back and say, well they are immigrants, they shouldn't even be coming here unless 1. They are legal 2. They have a job lined up, or 3. If they have no job they have some sort of support system. Then I go back again and say, well lets be realistic, that is ridiculous to think that illegals are not coming over here without those things.

I don't know, food for thought. Happy to hear your thoughts.