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    Quote Originally Posted by Anton View Post
    If you were to get assraped would you be thankful that they used lube or would you be pissed about getting assraped in the first place? Your question is a false dichotomy.

    We certainly are going to disagree on this.
    “Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson

    A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'

    That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foxtrot View Post
    Many people will trade all of their freedom for just a semblance of safety.

    Our freedom is earned not just by veterans that die on the battlefield - it's constantly earned on the backs of people who die just living life. Freedom to shoot earned on the backs of those that die in firearm accidents. Freedom to eat 95% preservative hamburgers at a fast food chain earned on the backs of people who just die but seriously, have you considered that government intervening any time it can save lives is a bad thing? We could save millions and millions of lives every year on a government mandated diet, while under house arrest with curfew hours (enforced by shooting on site) and arranged heavily medicated relationships.

    I always cringe when people use the "it will save a life, and a life is invaluable" argument. Remember, they use that for firearms to....


    Lastly, in my mind, any sort of automatic enforcement system is a clear and obvious 4th amendment violation. I don't care about any supreme court rulings, how can it not be. Why is it an officer has to follow various rules when running a speed trap to avoid "entrapment" type claims, but an automatic 24/7 camera that sends you a bill doesn't?

    Not sure on what rules you are referring to regarding speed traps. Hasn't been an issue in the nearly 20 years I've been a cop.

    Entrapment regarding speed? To be considered entrapment, the officer would have to give you the vehicle, tell you how fast it goes, point you in the direction to drive and tell you kick in the ass in order to be considered entrapment.
    “Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson

    A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'

    That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.

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