Why leave or "bug out" ???

[2008f450]

Ok I didnt see a thread that looked like what I am thinking so I started one. There are a lot of us here on this forum that do think alike. That said I see a lot of posts about people bugging out if the SHTF scenario happens. Why? I thought about packing up my wife and kids and going to a spot and holding up. Problem is then we are on our own. My question is why not join together? Lets say member "A" lives up north here near me and has say 5 acres of land. Why not get to know a few other members here and IF the SHTF scenario happens why not have members "B" "C" "D" fall back to his place? For me I would bring my trailer as housing. If you have multiple people in one place you have advantages. More people to defend against what ever mob or looters are out there. If its a really long term problem you could have people that maybe could farm while some hunt or go get water. I have been thinking and planning for as many possibilities as I can think of. But the thought of sticking together as a group seems to make a lot more sence to me. I was thinking this could happen all over the state. Maybe a group south of Denver. maybe one on the western slope. We all have something to bring to the table. Could be the land itself. Maybe someone is good with keeping vehicles running. And along that thought. What would you be bugging out in? As far as vehicles. maybe thats another thread but I have been thinking about that as well. Im curious to see what you all think.

[DFBrews]

Ok I didnt see a thread that looked like what I am thinking so I started one. There are a lot of us here on this forum that do think alike. That said I see a lot of posts about people bugging out if the SHTF scenario happens. Why? I thought about packing up my wife and kids and going to a spot and holding up. Problem is then we are on our own. My question is why not join together? Lets say member "A" lives up north here near me and has say 5 acres of land. Why not get to know a few other members here and IF the SHTF scenario happens why not have members "B" "C" "D" fall back to his place? For me I would bring my trailer as housing. If you have multiple people in one place you have advantages. More people to defend against what ever mob or looters are out there. If its a really long term problem you could have people that maybe could farm while some hunt or go get water. I have been thinking and planning for as many possibilities as I can think of. But the thought of sticking together as a group seems to make a lot more sence to me. I was thinking this could happen all over the state. Maybe a group south of Denver. maybe one on the western slope. We all have something to bring to the table. Could be the land itself. Maybe someone is good with keeping vehicles running. And along that thought. What would you be bugging out in? As far as vehicles. maybe thats another thread but I have been thinking about that as well. Im curious to see what you all think.

I like the idea as my bug out location is 4 hrs south and the only way to get there is 285 or I 25 both major roads.

Things would have to be well planned ahead. who has land, who is bringing trailers, are you willing to share your preps with other people. who will be in charge of each "village" what if someone is all gung-ho about it shows up and just moochs off other people? how is this person dealt with to avoid retaliation. Also alot of this would need to be planned FTF, to ensure OPSEC is not comprimised.

Guess the point of this ramble is Trust would be paramount!

And seeing as how i am fairly new here still i wouldn't imagine someone being super inviting to some guy I know on the interwebs. I hope to meet alot more of you guys and maybe make some good friends. I know that only one person on this forum, the guy that referred me, knows anything about what i have prepped

[Irving]

1) If your place gets burned down, you won't have much choice.

2) Transporting a trailer to another person's property is still technically bugging out right?

Personally, I'd try to stay put as long as possible, only leaving when it was safer to be on the move than just sitting at my place.

[2008f450]

I like the idea as my bug out location is 4 hrs south and the only way to get there is 285 or I 25 both major roads.

Things would have to be well planned ahead. who has land, who is bringing trailers, are you willing to share your preps with other people. who will be in charge of each "village" what if someone is all gung-ho about it shows up and just moochs off other people? how is this person dealt with to avoid retaliation. Also alot of this would need to be planned FTF, to ensure OPSEC is not comprimised.

Guess the point of this ramble is Trust would be paramount!

And seeing as how i am fairly new here still i wouldn't imagine someone being super inviting to some guy I know on the interwebs. I hope to meet alot more of you guys and maybe make some good friends. I know that only one person on this forum, the guy that referred me, knows anything about what i have prepped

I agree trust would be extremely important. It is something that would take time to put together and plan for. Im pretty new here too and have only met a few people.



Irving you are right if you place burns down you need to go. Again Having someplace to fall back to with people you know would be better than trying to stand your ground on your own. And if its close to your home already you would be closer to your supplies. But going with your thought lets say the SHTF and you werent home. You come home and your house is burned down with all your supplies and guns. Would you rather be moving on your own with only a go bag or have a place that you can go to that would be safer?

[Irving]

Well sure you'd rather have a place to go. We all would. But how many people do you know that own even 1/2 an acre of land? Maybe a few up in Loveland, but down here in the metro area? Almost zero people do.

Don't think that I'm arguing your point, because I'm not. I totally agree. However, I think the whole point of a BoB is to have something that you keep with you, so in the event that you are either stranded some where, or are left with nothing, then at least you have something to try and get by with until someone takes you in.

I've got a kid and no tent. Realistically, without a vehicle, we're not going anywhere. I've got a place to go to, but unless someone wants to lend me 15 head of cattle, several pigs, goats, chickens, a few acres worth of crops, and about 100 years worth of ranching experience and know how, it's not really going to help too much. I'd have to quit my job and go work on a ranch for a year or something in order to put my "resource" to any use. So, like you said, we'd be staying put for as long as possible. Just try to survive the first few waves of mass deaths.

[2008f450]

Its something that would have to be thought out and planned for sure. Everyone that showed up would have to have something to contribute. Someone would have to have some farming knowledge. Someone could hunt. Its not a quick on the fly thing for sure. But thats also why I asked what people would be using as transportation. If someone only has a 1984 Dodge aries k with 400K on it for miles they arent going to be traveling too far or off any roads.No matter how good their BoB is. As far as land your right down in your area there isnt a whole lot to choose from. Up here Im fortunate to know a few people with land from 2 acres to 7 acres. But they arent gun people and wouldnt be very useful in defending their own home much less me and mine.

[KevDen2005]

Okay, let's see if this works this time...

I first want to say that I don't have all the answers, I don't even know if my way is actually right, but here are some thoughts that I hope will help.

I plan on staying in my house for as long as possible. It is already a built shelter. It has the capabilitiy of housing many people in the event we want to be uncomfortable and are willing to accept that. I would assume that utilies would eventually get shut off so a plan of how to get additional water and where everyone goes to the bathroom should be figured out quite quickly.

I keep a large stock of canned and other long-term foods as well as a stock of water on hand. I also try to stock up on as much extra ammunition, medical supplies, tools, things to make my house into as much of a fortress as possible, and other things that seem like it would be necessary.

I also maintain several types of bug out style bags. First there is the backpack that carry backpacking that stays packed all the time. I often refer to this as a rescue pack. I have a 72 hour bag that I keep packed with a few sets of clothes, towels, soap, a few survival items that I would take with me for a fast emergency such as a fire, I can grab it on the way out. (Obviously this does not work if my house burns down when I am not home). I also keep my truck survival kits packed and check them regularly. I don't think I need to get into what is exactly packed since that is anther thread and of course would be different from everyone else's needs.

I would also suggest that having a few gallons of gas (rotated regulary-once every six months) would be a good idea. I rotate out 10 gallons of gas...some may want more others less. I can get to several planned destinations on 10 gallons and I also try to keep a minimum of 1/4 tank of fuel in my truck.

I also have a Bug Out Point Alpha and a Bug Out Point Bravo in the event I have to leave. I have maps and have researched the resources of each location as they are different. I of course have been to both and go regularly. I also have them in complete opposite directions in the event I can't go one of the directions.

I think that everyone on here is probably a Type A personality so figuring out leadership and trust issues needs to be done quickly if people plan on getting together. Face to face meeting, training, and hanging out is probably a good idea. I personally plan on my brothers and their families to join me as well as a few close friends. I know them, trust them, know what equipment they have, and know their capabilities.

I am certainly not opposed to meeting people on here. I have noticed there is a wide range of training and capability on here as well as a huge willingness to help one another. The more people banding together the better.

I also think it is extremely important for everyone to prepare as much as possible without making it the only thing they do in life. Preparations should always be made and improvements always done. It should not be the only thing we worry about since we all have lives and jobs and school and families to worry about too...which reminded me. In my packs I take into account at least one familiy member (my wife to be) as well as the possibility of others being there that I care about that are unprepared. At the same time I think there needs to be preparations and planning is paramount. The fact that everyone on here is thinking about this and making a plan is the biggest first step in my opinion.

I am by no means the answer to anything, these are my thoughts. I certainly don't practice the stuff I know enough and don't have many skills that I wish I had. I have gotten many ideas from this site and hope to pass a few on to others. I am always open to discussion and others' thoughts.

[Colorado Osprey]

But how many people do you know that own even 1/2 an acre of land?

Thats funny... my garden is bigger than that.
I never have understood people that live in an urban location.

I know of a few people who plan to "Bug Out" to rural areas.... some to private property not owned by them. I think they would be in for a rude arrival by the land owners and their neighbors.
Rural people commonly rely on each other and trust each other as well as come to each others aide.

I also believe that people who plan to bug out to the national forest are gonna end up with a lot of neighbors and no law; many conflicts with "prepared" armed people.
Picture you favorite camp area on July 4th weekend... but with guns instead of illegal fireworks.

[Irving]

I'm positive that if I ever had to go to our private property, someone would already be trying to squat there. I wouldn't even rule out the neighbors either.

[Wulf202]

all excelent points guys. if you want to read up on these issues buy the book "lights out" its far from the ideal fantasy rawles book puts on.

the scope of a retreat is monstrious and this is just the begining