TSA pat-downs.

[Mtn.man]

Everyday we become less American, and less free, and we sit by and let it happen in the name of Security.
Wake the hell up.

Are you all so stupid that you think this is a way to stop the terrorists?

The TSA is a bunch of loser morons that lucked out and got a job with the gubment. If any of us were to do a pat search of a citizen we'd have to register as a sex offender.

Until people make a stand and say we have had enough and we aren't goint to take it anymore then we will continue on a downward spiral into a military state.

Guess the Patriot act is also OK...

You guys will probably think it's OK for the Man to come and take your guns in the name of Saftey as well.

Must be young.

Ben Franklin said something like "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."

[TS12000]

Illusion of security, nothing new here, move along you sheep

[DOC]

Never heard of an avatar option. What is the option that is in front of them. Except equal opportunity scanning with special attention paid to people filling a profile of past terrorist groups.

[Bailey Guns]

I dont see all this hurting the industry at all, maybe very minor, but I think those who choose not too will come around and get used to it.

Of course it won't. Because people are fuckin' sheep. Janet Incompetano comes on TV and says, "It's for your own good, people. We know what we're doing. The system works," and people will parrot everything they hear and mutter crap about "it makes me feel better to know they're trying to protect us." They're already all over the tube saying that. Absolutely pathetic.

But you're right about people coming around to it. It doesn't take long to indoctrinate most people.

[TriggerHappy]

Ooooo. I started a good one.

Kev: I know you were kidding, just a little venting here. If she is hot, grope all you want.

And I agree, TSA is all just a bunch of feel good BS. They are definitely not consistent and consistency is what its gonna take.

[Mtn.man]

Of course it won't. Because people are fuckin' sheep. Janet Incompetano comes on TV and says, "It's for your own good, people. We know what we're doing. The system works," and people will parrot everything they hear and mutter crap about "it makes me feel better to know they're trying to protect us." They're already all over the tube saying that. Absolutely pathetic.

But you're right about people coming around to it. It doesn't take long to indoctrinate most people.

Hitler made the people feel safe.

[palepainter]

It really is just another way that our government is letting the terrorists win with their agenda. The costs, the fear, the control.

[BigBear]

My wife said that is she had to do the full body scan thingy that she was going to wear the biggest strap-on she could find and ask for a pat-down. HAHAHAHAHA.

As far as me... if I can't drive there, I usually don't go. I've been on planes and all but I just don't like 'em. I don't like having to pay for two seats or not being able to take my horn as a carryon, etc. Screw them, they won't get my money. If I get hired for a tour (like the last one to Ireland) it's a private jet.

[pickenup]

Ben Franklin said something like "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."

Bingo

[Hoosier]

I think something needs to be clarified here; just because something is not an enumerated right in the Constitution does not make it a "privilege." That mindset, if you walk-it-out, can lead to totalitarian government state where your only rights are those they enumerate for you.

The sole reason they began doing pat downs was to make the backscatter X-ray more appealing. So people would be less like to opt-out. TSA agents refer to the machines as DMD's... dick measuring devices.

The X-ray exposure is only a few pico-Sieverts, however it's not the same kind of X-ray that we have decades of experience with. These x-rays reflect off the skin, and all the energy that dissipates does so right there. Traditional x-rays move entirely through the target. No amount of X-ray exposure produces beneficial results. Flying at altitude does expose you to more X-ray (and other highly charged particles) than being at ground level, that said, I would prefer to not have any additional exposure, thanks.

I think it's just a matter of time before real world images start being leaked. Remember, the TSA has *never* stopped a terrorist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater

The terrorists won't use the same vector of attack, because now everyone on the plane knows that it's not someone looking to divert the flight or get paid ransom. Terrorism is far less common than people seem to think. Any terrorist in the US who wished to create destruction has his pick of targets. If it's as common as politicians try to scare us into believing, how come they are so incredibly unsuccessful?

We should have this type of X-ray technology fully deployed, though. Sitting at the harbors and ports scanning each shipping container as it moves away from the cranes. No more 4th Amendment problems, no more human-exposure problems, and a chance to really do some good.

H.