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    Default No colored pmags available until after CO deadline

    FYI: I sent Magpul an email awhile back asking if colored PMags would be available before the July 1st deadline. I just received a response and here it is, straight from the horses' mouth:

    "Colored PMags will not be available to Colorado buyers under the Airlift program, or through Magpul website before the deadline.
    Sorry for the late reply..."

    Bummer.

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    More upset about the AK mags not coming out till after the ban.
    I really, really want some of those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crashdown View Post
    More upset about the AK mags not coming out till after the ban.
    I really, really want some of those.
    Wyoming is only a hop and a skip away.

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    Default No colored pmags available until after CO deadline

    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
    Wyoming is only a hop and a skip away.
    Yup, you owned them while living in another city or family from another state gifted you. Remember its only illegal to purchase inside CO. Not illegal to own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeinhb View Post
    Yup, you owned them while living in another city or family from another state gifted you. Remember its only illegal to purchase inside CO. Not illegal to own.
    HOUSE BILL 13-1224 [Digest]
    BY REPRESENTATIVE(S) Fields, Court, Fischer, Hullinghorst, Labuda, Levy, Melton, Pabon, Rosenthal, Schafer, Williams, Young, Buckner, Ferrandino;
    also SENATOR(S) Hodge, Aguilar, Guzman, Heath, Nicholson, Ulibarri, Morse.



    AN ACT
    Concerning prohibiting large-capacity ammunition magazines.
    Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Colorado:
    SECTION 1. In Colorado Revised Statutes, add part 3 to article 12 of title 18 as follows:
    PART 3LARGE-CAPACITY AMMUNITION MAGAZINES
    18-12-301. Definitions. As used in this part 3, unless the context otherwise requires:
    (1) "Bureau" means the Colorado bureau of investigation created and existing pursuant to section 24-33.5-401, C.R.S.
    (2) (a) "Large-capacity magazine means:
    (I) A fixed or detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip, or similar device capable of accepting, or that is designed to be readily converted to accept, more than fifteen rounds of ammunition;
    (II) A fixed, tubular shotgun magazine that holds more than twenty-eight inches of shotgun shells, including any extension device that is attached to the magazine and holds additional shotgun shells; or
    (III) A nontubular, detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip, or similar device that is capable of accepting more than eight shotgun shells when combined with a fixed magazine.
    (b) "Large-capacity magazine" does not mean:
    (I) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than fifteen rounds of ammunition;
    (II) An attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition; or
    (III) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.
    18-12-302. Large-capacity magazines prohibited - penalties - exceptions. (1) (a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, on and after July 1, 2013, a person who sells, transfers, or possesses a large-capacity magazine commits a class 2 misdemeanor.
    (b) Any person who violates subsection (1) of this section after having been convicted of a prior violation of said subsection (1) commits a class 1 misdemeanor.
    (c) Any person who violates subsection (1) of this section commits a class 6 felony if the person possessed a large-capacity magazine during the commission of a felony or any crime of violence, as defined in section 18-1.3-406.
    (2) (a) A person may possess a large-capacity magazine if he or she:
    (I) Owns the large-capacity magazine on the effective date of this section; and
    (II) Maintains continuous possession of the large-capacity magazine.
    (b) If a person who is alleged to have violated subsection (1) of this section asserts that he or she is permitted to legally possess a large-capacity magazine pursuant to paragraph (a) of this subsection (2), the prosecution has the burden of proof to refute the assertion.
    (3) The offense described in subsection (1) of this section shall not apply to:
    (a) An entity, or any employee thereof engaged in his or her employment duties, that manufactures large-capacity magazines within Colorado exclusively for transfer to, or any licensed gun dealer, as defined in section 12-26.1-106 (6), C.R.S., or any employee thereof engaged in his or her official employment duties, that sells large-capacity magazines exclusively to:
    (I) A branch of the armed forces of the United States;
    (II) A department, agency, or political subdivision of the state of Colorado, or of any other state, or of the United States government;
    (III) A firearms retailer for the purpose of firearms sales conducted outside the state;
    (IV) A foreign national government that has been approved for such transfers by the United States government; or
    (V) An out-of-state transferee who may legally possess a large-capacity magazine; or
    (b) An employee of any of the following agencies who bears a firearm in the course of his or her official duties:
    (I) A branch of the armed forces of the United States; or
    (II) A department, agency, or political subdivision of the state of Colorado, or of any other state, or of the United States government; or
    (c) A person who possesses the magazine for the sole purpose of transporting the magazine to an out-of-state entity on behalf of a manufacturer of large-capacity magazines within Colorado.
    18-12-303. Identification markings for large-capacity magazines - rules. (1) A large-capacity magazine that is manufactured in Colorado on or after the effective date of this section must include a permanent stamp or marking indicating that the large-capacity magazine was manufactured or assembled after the effective date of this section. The stamp or marking must be legibly and conspicuously engraved or cast upon the outer surface of the large-capacity magazine.
    (2) The bureau may promulgate such rules as may be necessary for the implementation of this section, including but not limited to rules requiring a large-capacity magazine that is manufactured on or after the effective date of this section to bear identifying information in addition to the identifying information described in subsection (1) of this section.
    (3) A person who manufactures a large-capacity magazine in Colorado in violation of subsection (1) of this section commits a class 2 misdemeanor and shall be punished in accordance with section 18-1.3-501.
    SECTION 2. Effective date. This act takes effect July 1, 2013.
    SECTION 3. Safety clause. The general assembly hereby finds, determines, and declares that this act is necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace, health, and safety.
    Approved: March 20, 2013
    Lessons cost money. Good ones cost lots. -Tony Beets

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    Default No colored pmags available until after CO deadline

    Quote Originally Posted by kidicarus13 View Post
    HOUSE BILL 13-1224 [Digest]
    BY REPRESENTATIVE(S) Fields, Court, Fischer, Hullinghorst, Labuda, Levy, Melton, Pabon, Rosenthal, Schafer, Williams, Young, Buckner, Ferrandino;
    also SENATOR(S) Hodge, Aguilar, Guzman, Heath, Nicholson, Ulibarri, Morse.



    AN ACT
    Concerning prohibiting large-capacity ammunition magazines.
    Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Colorado:
    SECTION 1. In Colorado Revised Statutes, add part 3 to article 12 of title 18 as follows:
    PART 3LARGE-CAPACITY AMMUNITION MAGAZINES
    18-12-301. Definitions. As used in this part 3, unless the context otherwise requires:
    (1) "Bureau" means the Colorado bureau of investigation created and existing pursuant to section 24-33.5-401, C.R.S.
    (2) (a) "Large-capacity magazine means:
    (I) A fixed or detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip, or similar device capable of accepting, or that is designed to be readily converted to accept, more than fifteen rounds of ammunition;
    (II) A fixed, tubular shotgun magazine that holds more than twenty-eight inches of shotgun shells, including any extension device that is attached to the magazine and holds additional shotgun shells; or
    (III) A nontubular, detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip, or similar device that is capable of accepting more than eight shotgun shells when combined with a fixed magazine.
    (b) "Large-capacity magazine" does not mean:
    (I) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than fifteen rounds of ammunition;
    (II) An attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition; or
    (III) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.
    18-12-302. Large-capacity magazines prohibited - penalties - exceptions. (1) (a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, on and after July 1, 2013, a person who sells, transfers, or possesses a large-capacity magazine commits a class 2 misdemeanor.
    (b) Any person who violates subsection (1) of this section after having been convicted of a prior violation of said subsection (1) commits a class 1 misdemeanor.
    (c) Any person who violates subsection (1) of this section commits a class 6 felony if the person possessed a large-capacity magazine during the commission of a felony or any crime of violence, as defined in section 18-1.3-406.
    (2) (a) A person may possess a large-capacity magazine if he or she:
    (I) Owns the large-capacity magazine on the effective date of this section; and
    (II) Maintains continuous possession of the large-capacity magazine.
    (b) If a person who is alleged to have violated subsection (1) of this section asserts that he or she is permitted to legally possess a large-capacity magazine pursuant to paragraph (a) of this subsection (2), the prosecution has the burden of proof to refute the assertion.
    (3) The offense described in subsection (1) of this section shall not apply to:
    (a) An entity, or any employee thereof engaged in his or her employment duties, that manufactures large-capacity magazines within Colorado exclusively for transfer to, or any licensed gun dealer, as defined in section 12-26.1-106 (6), C.R.S., or any employee thereof engaged in his or her official employment duties, that sells large-capacity magazines exclusively to:
    (I) A branch of the armed forces of the United States;
    (II) A department, agency, or political subdivision of the state of Colorado, or of any other state, or of the United States government;
    (III) A firearms retailer for the purpose of firearms sales conducted outside the state;
    (IV) A foreign national government that has been approved for such transfers by the United States government; or
    (V) An out-of-state transferee who may legally possess a large-capacity magazine; or
    (b) An employee of any of the following agencies who bears a firearm in the course of his or her official duties:
    (I) A branch of the armed forces of the United States; or
    (II) A department, agency, or political subdivision of the state of Colorado, or of any other state, or of the United States government; or
    (c) A person who possesses the magazine for the sole purpose of transporting the magazine to an out-of-state entity on behalf of a manufacturer of large-capacity magazines within Colorado.
    18-12-303. Identification markings for large-capacity magazines - rules. (1) A large-capacity magazine that is manufactured in Colorado on or after the effective date of this section must include a permanent stamp or marking indicating that the large-capacity magazine was manufactured or assembled after the effective date of this section. The stamp or marking must be legibly and conspicuously engraved or cast upon the outer surface of the large-capacity magazine.
    (2) The bureau may promulgate such rules as may be necessary for the implementation of this section, including but not limited to rules requiring a large-capacity magazine that is manufactured on or after the effective date of this section to bear identifying information in addition to the identifying information described in subsection (1) of this section.
    (3) A person who manufactures a large-capacity magazine in Colorado in violation of subsection (1) of this section commits a class 2 misdemeanor and shall be punished in accordance with section 18-1.3-501.
    SECTION 2. Effective date. This act takes effect July 1, 2013.
    SECTION 3. Safety clause. The general assembly hereby finds, determines, and declares that this act is necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace, health, and safety.
    Approved: March 20, 2013
    100% unenforceable. In order for this to be enforceable the state would have to require all magazines owned prior to the ban be serialized and registered, any magazines not serialized and registered by a certain date would be prohibited. Since there is no serial number or date stamp there is no way for a police officer to know whether or not your magazine was bought after the ban.

    Many lawyers who have reviewed this law say this is one of the worst written pieces of legislation in Colorado history and believe it won't be enforced due to the fact that any decent defense attorney will be able to have any possession charge thrown out of court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDee View Post
    Since there is no serial number or date stamp there is no way for a police officer to know whether or not your magazine was bought after the ban.
    Magpul magazines are date stamped and this was the specific brand of magazine the OP posted about. When the magazine in your possession is stamped 08/13 you'd better have an attorney on retainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidicarus13 View Post
    Magpul magazines are date stamped and this was the specific brand of magazine the OP posted about. When the magazine in your possession is stamped 08/13 you'd better have an attorney on retainer.
    I just received 20 round Pmags in FDE from Brownell's and I don't see a date stamp on them just a clock like stamp that I don't know how to decifer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDee View Post
    100% unenforceable. In order for this to be enforceable the state would have to require all magazines owned prior to the ban be serialized and registered, any magazines not serialized and registered by a certain date would be prohibited. Since there is no serial number or date stamp there is no way for a police officer to know whether or not your magazine was bought after the ban.

    Many lawyers who have reviewed this law say this is one of the worst written pieces of legislation in Colorado history and believe it won't be enforced due to the fact that any decent defense attorney will be able to have any possession charge thrown out of court.
    Wish I could agree but the logic does not work in all circumstances such as these Magpul AK mags. For the same reason NONE of us will ever own a legal full auto PS90 we will not own Magpul AK mags since they will only be available AFTER the deadline.

    I so wish I were wrong about this!

    Now if we 3D print them.... That is another matter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hound View Post
    Wish I could agree but the logic does not work in all circumstances such as these Magpul AK mags. For the same reason NONE of us will ever own a legal full auto PS90 we will not own Magpul AK mags since they will only be available AFTER the deadline.

    I so wish I were wrong about this!

    Now if we 3D print them.... That is another matter

    Speak for yourself. With the right paperwork 1 of anything is legal. I wouldn't waste it on a PS90, but hey that's me.
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