This country is so done.

[SAnd]

When people opt out of the scans they then get body searched and groped, no other option (unless they don't want to fly). They don't give consent for that.

Once you're in the line there are no options. The policy is you get searched if you get in the line. So if you opt out of the scan they get to grope you even if you change your mind and say you aren't getting on the airplane.

TSA claims this is to prevent testing the system.

[hurley842002]

I'll be perfectly honest here, this is one subject i've had a hard time forming an opinion on. If an individual airline were choosing to implement a search procedure, prior to boarding their plane, in order to ensure the safety of their customers and their staff, I don't believe I would have as much of an issue. If you don't like their process, choose a different airline. Just like, if I don't like the fact that Sporting venues can search my person, and strip me of my Second amendment, I don't have to go to their venue (and I don't).

My problem with this whole TSA issue, is it's coming directly from, and being backed by the Same Government that ISN'T allowed to strip us of these God given rights, per our Constitution. So with that said, what is a reasonable search? Is it reasonable to think that a 3 year old is a threat? NO! Is it reasonable to think that my 80 year old grandmother is a threat? NO! Therefore in my opinion, the Government is performing Unreasonable Searches. Now it may be a contract company actually doing the searches, but its at the Order of the Government.

Put the PC Bullshit aside, and hire experts in the field of profiling (not racial, not ethnic, etc. etc.), the same interview style that the Israeli's use, and go from there. A person act's out of place or suspicious, and at that point, it would be Reasonable to request that person be searched.

[Irving]

Once you're in the line there are no options. The policy is you get searched if you get in the line. So if you opt out of the scan they get to grope you even if you change your mind and say you aren't getting on the airplane.

TSA claims this is to prevent testing the system.

Don't forget about the $11,000 fine!

[theGinsue]

I'm a little late expressing my opinion here as I just read OneGuy's post and it's dead on with what I was intending to post.

Attending sporting events or entering any other non-government controlled institution where the searches are performed by people/organization hired by the property owner does not violate 4A. It is the property owners/venue managements way of providing "reasonable care" to protect the attendees in the case of litigation; nothing more.

As with OneGuy, I do not agree with the manner in which TSA is implementing security for passengers. But, with that said, folks keep saying that TSA has caught no one who was a true risk to passenger security (i.e. terrorists). What we dont know is how their techniques may have deterred a potential terrorist from even attempting to bring a weapon onto a passenger aircraft. In all likelyhood, these techniques HAVE been a deterrant. We'll never know for sure.

Now, I need to re-iterate that I DO NOT agree with the degree of invasiveness that TSA has felt that they need to violate our rights with the full body scans and molestation-styled "pat-downs". I also disagree with their need to subject young children, disabled, elderly, etc. to the same degree of scrutiny that they give to everyone else. Their unwillingness to perform some degree of profiling is ridiculous.

The bottom line is that the system is what it is and I, for one, will avoid flying whenever possible to let my money speak loud and clear about how I feel on the subject.

[ERNO]

Ginsue, the TSA does do some kind of profiling already. From a female TSA'er from BWI Airport outside of Baltimore: "If you look at a person on the waiting line for the scanner, and that person makes the hairs on your back stand up; that person needs a further search."


Erno

[TS12000]

Ginsue, the TSA does do some kind of profiling already. From a female TSA'er from BWI Airport outside of Baltimore: "If you look at a person on the waiting line for the scanner, and that person makes the hairs on your back stand up; that person needs a further search."


Erno

oh so they are using hunches now huh? damn makes me feel a lot safer...

[Driftwood]

Once you're in the line there are no options. The policy is you get searched if you get in the line. So if you opt out of the scan they get to grope you even if you change your mind and say you aren't getting on the airplane.

TSA claims this is to prevent testing the system.

I did not know this, I stand corrected.

[BPTactical]

Ginsue, the TSA does do some kind of profiling already. From a female TSA'er from BWI Airport outside of Baltimore: "If you look at a person on the waiting line for the scanner, and that person makes the hairs on your back stand up; that person needs a further search."


Erno

Isn't this basically the same sentiment that Juan Williams was fired from NPR for.

The hypocrisy is almost funny........

[Irving]

So anyone with extra static build up gets a crotch grab. Sweet. I just knew that Bounty played a part in all this.

[BigMat]

This IS true. Name one natural resource that we've ever run out of, without learning to use a different resource in it's place, usually a better one. Go back to the beginning of time if you want to.

Wood on Easter Island