Wikileaks - good for America?

[jim02]

Wikileaks: Stop Us? You'll Have to Shut Down the Web http://abcnews.go.com/International/julian-assange-wikileaks-faces-onslaught-charges-attacks-politically/story?id=12333753

This is a good lesson for us but will the American people and our government learn the right lesson from this or will it just be more fuel on the fire for (pick what name u like to use {commies, liberals, socialists, globalists, etc}) them to say the gov needs more control of the internet and force on more laws/restrictions for the web?

I dont think they will learn the correct lesson that you cant sleep with the enemy and expect not to get hurt since most people just dont understand that they themselves support Americas enemies.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Isn't the real issue is the leak itself. What's leaked is beyond anyone's control. -- Well, unless the Chinese wants to get involved

[jim02]

Isn't the real issue is the leak itself. What's leaked is beyond anyone's control. -- Well, unless the Chinese wants to get involved

The ability of the web in this leak is the big issue as I see it, they are holding data hostage and attacking sites just like a terriosts.
If this was leaked to a few major editors of news papers it would not have the same effect that it does now. Look at how the use of the web here has taken this to a whole new level then a leak to a few paper resources would have in the past.

[jim02]

foxtrot
So you dont think that this could have been engineered, (to step into tinfoil hat terrority) lets say the weak politicans were not weak but allowed this to happen so that they could use this as a reason to enact new laws and restrictions as well as weaken the US foregin relations in an effort to deminish our power so that we would not be at a level of strengh and could no longer stand on our own and weaken us enough that we would join into a global union/monetary system that fits into allignment with the visions of leaders of the left.

[BushMasterBoy]

State Department finally wised up and formed their own network separate from the military.I wish the liberal citzens would stop trying to homosexualize the military and the Government stop trying to appease them.
I doubt it was engineered as a leak, but the incident was more of a liberal social sabotage of the current system. It's a good thing PFC Manning did not have access to nuclear consent codes, or I would be facing a global nuclear war.
Anyways, we are the wiser for it. Those who do not learn history are forced to repeat it...

Anbody get the Wikileaks UFO data? The movie "Independence Day" sorta scares me!

[Hoosier]

It's a good thing PFC Manning did not have access to nuclear consent codes, or I would be facing a global nuclear war.

For seventeen years, during the height of the nuclear crises of the Cold War, the code remained all zeros, and was even printed in each silo’s launch checklist for all to see. The codes remained this way up until 1977, when the service was pressed into activating the McNamara locks with real launch codes in place. Before that time, the the lack of safeguards would have made it relatively easy for a small group of rogue silo officers or visitors to implement an unauthorized nuclear missile launch.

http://www.damninteresting.com/ive-g...-on-my-luggage

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[Hoosier]

They could have cut the leak off back when they knew the PFC first leaked it.

As someone who's familiar with the internet, I'm surprised you have this opinion. How, exactly, could they stop the leak? Whoever sent it via anonymous sources to Wikileaks did it without knowledge or consent of the government, obviously. Once the data is released onto the internet, to a competent robust network like Wikileaks designed to handle and distribute data, there's no putting the genie back into the bottle.

The only headline would have been "tragedy strikes paper!" subtext "editor commits suicide, survivors at a loss for words".

I sincerely hope at no point in our future or our past would we resort to extra judicial killing to handle a newspaper editor. That's the kind of shit Russia does. That's not the America I want to live in. Nor is it exactly constitutional. WTF man?

H.

[Hoosier]

Chill out. Because I know the facts of the story. The PFC was caught long before wiki-leaks even announced a leak, much less had processed any of the information themselves. If they had the desire, they could have chased where it was sent, arriving at wiki-leaks and recovering it (or at least making a fucking ATTEMPT to recover it) before it was even processed or shared.

No, Wikileaks submission process is based on TOR - The Onion Router. It exists to make impossible to trace the source or destination of traffic. Even if they knew beforehand that it was in the position of Wikileaks, how could they have recovered it? Driven to their office? Asked nicely? As soon as the data left controlled hands the cat was out of the bag.

And don't try to put words in my mouth. Never did I say I wished the guy dead.

Ah, I thought you were saying this is the way you'd like it to be. I would be interested in knowing of instances where "we did something" to stop a leak, but we'd probably never hear about that. There have been other leaks that weren't prevented, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers The journalist who published it is still alive.

now there are lists of all our self-identified vulnerabilities out there as well as a lot of other information that may very well (more likely, probably) get a lot of people killed. So... I'll spell it out for you. What the fuck man, you're okay with that?

Yes, I'm OK with it. We gain no security by it (a static list of facilities) being secret. This statement flies in the face of common sense. The reason it's true is because these sites are not news to our enemies. There is nothing here that can not (has not) already been figured out. To assume that your enemies aren't capable of determining your weakness is to underestimate them. Now that the information is public, we must implement real security. We can no longer hope that "security through obscurity" is going to protect us. We will be safer. Let me know when you hear about anyone being killed due to WL. It will be interesting to see when/if this does happen.

Then the diplomatic leaks start (hurts the democratic party especially) and suddenly those people who shrugged their shoulders say we have a problem and we have to fix it now!

I think the difference is a lot more due to how the press is covering it. The more microphones get shoved in front a politicans face about a subject, the more discussed it gets. The war logs were just not "sexy" enough to dominate the "news cycle" as the diplomatic stuff.

As for the mosque/entrapment stuff, I commented that in the "ROP" thread, not gonna re-hash it here.

H.