Killed over a water nozzle?

[Elhuero]

Holy crap! So you mean to tell me that we're being over run by a bunch of blood-thirsty JBT's with a pass to kill in their back pocket????

go to youtube and search "largest street gang in america".

six part video.

[KevDen2005]

Yeah I have seen it...it is completely factual too

[alan0269]

I'm not defending what happened (as we don't know fully all the details about time between actions taken by the parties involved), but it sounds to me like they had a split second to react to what they perceived to be a deadly threat to them. They were called to a scene where they believed someone had a small handgun; when they arrived, the man used a two handed hold on the object and pointed it at one of the officers, at which time the officers fired at him. I'm sorry, but common sense tells me that you don't touch a red hot piece of iron, punch a wild grizzly in the face, or point anything that could be perceived as a weapon at someone that has a real weapon aka a police officer. As far as not telling the man to "drop the weapon", etc - they apparently didn't think they had time to do so as they perceived they had an immediate threat to an officer's life. I don't personally believe that a police officer should have to be shot at before they can fire at someone - again, COMMON F***ING SENSE tells you not to point anything at an officer that they could perceive as a threat to their life or the life of someone else! If he was so innocent, why wouldn't he have put the object down and told the police "I only have a spray nozzle for a hose"? There are just some things in life you don't joke about!!!

"As the subject was in a seated position, he used a two-handed pistol-grip hold on an object with his arms fully extended," Long Beach Police Chief Jim McDonnell said. "Somebody that is impaired and waving what appears to witnesses and police to be a handgun. That's what the officers were faced with."

[Graves]

go to youtube and search "largest street gang in america".

six part video.

I'll check that out.

I have quite a few family and friends in law enforcement and far as I can tell, killing a man is the one of the last things on their mind next to dying.

[Scanker19]

I'm not defending what happened (as we don't know fully all the details about time between actions taken by the parties involved), but it sounds to me like they had a split second to react to what they perceived to be a deadly threat to them. They were called to a scene where they believed someone had a small handgun; when they arrived, the man used a two handed hold on the object and pointed it at one of the officers, at which time the officers fired at him. I'm sorry, but common sense tells me that you don't touch a red hot piece of iron, punch a wild grizzly in the face, or point anything that could be perceived as a weapon at someone that has a real weapon aka a police officer. As far as not telling the man to "drop the weapon", etc - they apparently didn't think they had time to do so as they perceived they had an immediate threat to an officer's life. I don't personally believe that a police officer should have to be shot at before they can fire at someone - again, COMMON F***ING SENSE tells you not to point anything at an officer that they could perceive as a threat to their life or the life of someone else! If he was so innocent, why wouldn't he have put the object down and told the police "I only have a spray nozzle for a hose"? There are just some things in life you don't joke about!!!

"As the subject was in a seated position, he used a two-handed pistol-grip hold on an object with his arms fully extended," Long Beach Police Chief Jim McDonnell said. "Somebody that is impaired and waving what appears to witnesses and police to be a handgun. That's what the officers were faced with."

If that was the case then I would support the cops, but it sounded like they had time to asses. The article said they had observed him, for what sounded like more than a split second.

Now that lady in that police video who pointed a phone at them, yes, cap her ass.

[BigMat]

I sometimes wonder about the UK police firearms policy. Most street cops with non-lethals, really really great non-lethals, and teams of dudes armed to the teeth patrolling around in vans, not acting as street cops but making sure everyone knows the PD still have big teeth. Maybe street cops still have guns, just in the trunk or in a cross draw but their non-lethals as primary.

I don't think the police are bad, I do realize however, that one cop killing one innocent person makes it harder on every single cop as people don't trust the police. I really don't know of anyone who fully trusts the police, several police included. There are just too many stories of SWAT busting down the wrong door, and killing the wrong guy. Frankly as a law abbdiding person not involved in any gang/drug activity in an apartment, that's probably my most likely lethal-level-threat home invasion threat. I know every cop isn't out to take people down and use their firearm, but all it takes as a few and suddenly they all are suspect. Right or wrong when I get pulled over I don't see "officer X" is see a blue shirt and a badge.

[Bitter Clinger]

So you were there? Just curious as to how you know exactly what happened?

No. I was not there, reading the small article it does say the police observed him. Why did they not wait for backup? I don't know. I am not a cop.

But it seems to me a Guy who was guilty of trying to not drink and drive lost his life for doing the right thing.

The article also states that neighbors called 911 stating they seen a Guy sitting on some steps with a gun. Ok SO FUCKING WHAT? I oftentimes am walking around my backyard and garage with drills, water nozzles, hell sometimes I even have a watergun. Should I expect to be gunned down?

IF we are getting the full story then yes the cops fucked up. But with stories like this we rarely get the full story.

[Byte Stryke]

I am not saying all cops are bad.
I am not saying that we have the whole story or not.

I'm just saying that the story sounds a lot like my kid coming home and telling me he was suspended from school "Because" or "For no reason."

there's more to to this and it already stinks of someone fucking something up somewhere.

[rondog]

So the poor bastard didn't even know the cops were there? He's just drunk, sitting on the stoop playing with a hose nozzle like it was a pistol, and making "pew, pew, pew" noises? Good thing I don't drink, I've been known to "pew" at birds, squirrels and pasture rats with a finger pistol.

[ERNO]

The incident sounds like "suicide by cop" to me. The poor fellow did not have the guts to do himself in, as is with a majority of suicide attempts. So he let the cops do it.