you guys see this shooting? i guess only the shooter was killed

[sniper7]

at least the right guy died at the end of the day. needlessly, but that seems to be what he wanted.

very noble of the guy that signed the papers to try and get the others free.

gun free schools, gun free school boards, all failed logic. This guy should have been dropped from the instant the gun was presented. they are all just lucky he was too drunk to hit anything.

[Gunner]

Wow that's crazy

[lead_magnet]

Some verbal judo on the part of the pannel could have helped some it seemed. They guy in red (HORRIBLE suit by the way) was doing a good job of keeping him calm, the head hancho was arguing with him, lucky that didn't cost him his life.

I'm +1 for carrying in "no gun" zones. Yep, I said it. I carry a gun in places where it is illegal to do so. If a cop happens to decide to come pat me down and I get thrown in jail, so be it, I don't go unarmed ANYWHERE. I'm not condoning it either, that's a decision everyone has to make for themselfs. Are you willing to risk a criminal charge? Are you willing to risk being in a shooting with no weapon? I've personally been stoped by police where I have been carring illegally or in an illegal fashion (carried concealed without a permit for a LOOOONG time). This has happened to me twice in my life, and both times I was blessed to be faced by a compitent police officer who was able to tell a good guy who couldn't afford a permit, and sent me on my way with my gun. One even gave me a ride (car broke down, in california no less, and the Cali highway patrol gave me and my pistol a ride even though he said I was "carring a concealed and loaded weapon" illegaly.)

Anywho, sorry for getting off track (drinking a little tonight), if I was a panel member I vote for run the hell out of there and make him hit a very skinny moving target, the others can either follow my lead or sit there and get shot at, not my problem.

[Bailey Guns]

That is NOT a situation for the application of less lethal. You have no idea if that guy was actually trying to shoot/kill the hostages or not. There is no way to judge his intentions just because he's missing. No to mention the fact that, if I didn't know the outcome I would've thought several of those people were hit based on their reactions...especially the first guy that grabs the left side of his chest/arm. Looked like the guy was trying to hit people to me. As soon as he raised his arm just prior to firing I'd say would be the time to start ventilating him.

Frankly, he didn't look that well trained in gun handling/shooting to me based on the way he carried the gun, little muzzle discipline (not that he was really worried about that...but it does speak to training), the way the gun recoiled after he fired, etc...so it doesn't surprise me that he didn't hit anyone.

There is zero chance that a cop is going to wait for him to fire a couple of rounds and say, "Oh...he isn't hitting anyone. Let's whack him with a Taser (or beanbag, or whatever)." Zero chance.

Whoever shot him from behind (or wherever they were) did exactly what he should have done...fire on the guy until he was no longer a threat. When he fired on the last guy on the left it sure as hell looked to me like he was trying to hit him. Personally I think his shooting skills just sucked.

If you look how he reacted after being shot with the first round or two, that really seemed to strengthen his determination to shoot people. He probably wouldn't have reacted any differently had he been whacked with a bean bag. I can't tell how far away the officer that fired was but it appears to be too far for a Taser shot.

No...bubba needed killin'...right then and there.

[Elhuero]

gun free zone is right, those sheep on the school board are extremely lucky.

they were completely at his mercy and if he had been determined to kill them they would be dead.

[68Charger]

Bailey, I wasn't suggesting that they tase him after he started shooting- at that point they were out of options.

I'm just saying that the lady with the purse had another course of action- just the wrong tool... someone bigger & better trained could have disarmed him at that time- and that would have been the best outcome, but it also could have lead to something much worse... risky

Even shooting the "maniac with the gun" is dangerous, he could get some shots off before he goes down.

I've been wondering why I have any desire to save his life- I think it's because he WANTED somebody to shoot him... so I wanted to deny him that.

[TriggerHappy]

Gun free schools, gun free school boards, all failed logic. This guy should have been dropped from the instant the gun was presented.

+1. Bust em!!!! Why wait for the gunman to have an opportunity. He lost all of his outs the moment he pulled the gun and pointed it at anyone.

[GhostRider]

I agree with Bailey 100% couldn't have said any better, this guy determined the outcome before he went in.

[ghettodub]

Crazy stuff, and like it was said before, I can't believe how calm everyone was. That's nuts.

Another reason as also stated on why I carry everywhere I can. I think that lady was a moron too. I commend her for trying something, but that was just stupid.

[ruthabagah]

The real hero here is Ginger Littleton. I quote " so I could either walk away and try to live with myself because I knew something bad was going to happen, or I could try to defend, delay, somehow or other divert hoping that the cavalry would come soon.... My guys had three-rings binders and pencils to protect themselves, so I whacked him with the purse, hoping I could get him to drop the gun. Obviously that didn't work... I did not have a plan B"

This lady is the real hero.